Does your HQ *really* want to know about hazing?

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by KyleMcGuire1983

ktsnake didn't mention this but one of our prominent chapters was taken down by national.

Our University of Kansas chapter was our historic first western expansion and they got busted by Sigma Nu National for hazing.

Sigma Nu takes hazing extremely seriously (we were founded against hazing that was going on at Virginia Military Institute).

Even if Sigma Nu didn't want to suspend a large chapter like Ole Miss they'd do what they did to my chapter in the mid 90s, they'd just interview every active and pledge and then expel everybody who was involved in hazing and re-organize.

Yes, I remember that as the second main offense at Kansas Un. LXA House Was just across the Circle from there.

I was sadden to hear of this closing and more so now knowing it was for The Correct reasons.

It has come to a choice of closing Chapters no matter waht for RM and other Non compliant Rules.

Mu Chaqpter of LXA at the Un. Of Cal. was closed and it was one of the first Chapters of LXA and the First on the West Coast.

It does happen. Let it be a warning and an awakening for all of us.

It used to be just Fraternitys but now, it seems som Sororitys are being affected.

[jon1856]

From personal knowledge and experience, SAE National takes matters very seriously.

[Tom Earp]

GOOD as We all should!

We lost a few at the last G A

But it boils down to dont do it!

[bows&toes]

Tom,

I'm just wondering, when you pledged many many years ago did you get hazed? Did you haze pledges when you were an active? Please be honest.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by bows&toes

Tom,

I'm just wondering, when you pledged many many years ago did you get hazed? Did you haze pledges when you were an active? Please be honest.

When I "Pledged" a Fraternity of which I did not become a member of, the only hazing was pledge clean up on the common floor and line ups.

When I started a local, there was no hazing except what I mentioned abouve.

Of course that was then and this is now.

Oh, if making "Pledges" do study time, we did that, but of course that is hazing now. We also required Actives to spend time studying as We were there to make grades and graduate.

That is honest as I can be and am proud of the fact! We asked Men to join us and felt an obligation to them to get them active and be frutful memebers.

But as You said, that was a long time ago!

[bows&toes]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

When I "Pledged" a Fraternity of which I did not become a member of, the only hazing was pledge clean up on the common floor and line ups.

When I started a local, there was no hazing except what I mentioned abouve.

Of course that was then and this is now.

Oh, if making "Pledges" do study time, we did that, but of course that is hazing now. We also required Actives to spend time studying as We were there to make grades and graduate.

That is honest as I can be and am proud of the fact! We asked Men to join us and felt an obligation to them to get them active and be frutful memebers.

But as You said, that was a long time ago!

So you guys did cleanups/lineups/study hours. Sound like what 99% of the "hazing" chapters do today. How can you speak out against the stuff, if you did it yourself? It must of had a purpose if you chose to do it?

[shinerbock]

We did all of it. I look back upon it fondly.