National Programming

[33girl]

Originally Posted by ktsnake

You're talking about the packaging while I'm talking about the practical effect.

I think we're more-less on the same page except for a few semantical differences.

I agree - but I think in this kind of thing, the packaging is every bit as important as the product. Especially if the chapter has been successful with their current program. No one wants to fix what they don't perceive as broken.

[bows&toes]

I've had the privelage of being around many of my old highschool friends chapters at various schools, as well as chapters at my school. Out of all those, I only know of 2 that don't haze. That is 2 out of ~20. Those 2 are considered horrible chapters on their campus. I would go out on a limb and say hazing=traditional. No matter how you try to sugar coat it, it's the truth.

DISCLAIMER

I know it will come up so here-

I'm talking about IFC FRATERNITIES. Don't know about NPC don't care. Hazing is reffered to as lineups with physical training type exercizes, scavenger hunts, everything except homo-erotic type hazing.

[macallan25]

Yeah, every man in my family that I know of was Greek and were all at big, Southern prominent Greek schools (Texas, Ole Miss, SMU, Georgia, Alabama to name a few).........and they will all tell stories of hazing, lineups, etc. etc. Sorry but i'm gonna have to side with bows&toes in that hazing is traditional.......atleast in the South.

I am a firm believer that national programs such as The Balanced Man and the True Gentleman are doing nothing but destroying chapters. I don't know of any top Southern chapters of SAE that go by our Nationa's program. Selectivity is something that they all take pride in, as is longstanding traditions and their right to not diversify.

[whittleschmeg]

You guys should check out the visions program Phi Sig implemented. It not only is for new members but through out the program you learn how to implement it as a sister and then as an alumni. From our website the program is meant to help foster commitment to lifelong learning, inclusiveness and leadership through service. I went to convention last year and I can honestly tell you if chapters sit down and actually read the values and implement the program it can help them not only as sisters but as collegians and in the future.

If my national were to read this and see what chapter I am from they would floored, my chapter just had their charter taken away because of hazing accusations. These accusations were never found to be true nor false, and I am in no way admitting to the accusations because as far as i know they are false accusations. The reason I am telling you all this is because I 100% believe in tradition( I come from a medium size school in PA) but when it comes to hazing tradition is a cop out. If you are a top tier sorority or fraternity at your respective institution whether or not you haze will not make a difference. Tradition and ritual should be kept private with-in the chapter so regardless of whether hazing or not your membership should not be affected. If it is people are going by a reputation that proceeds you and if that is the case they want to be in the chapter for the wrong reasons.

I fully belive that if people actually sit and read and think about the programs like Visions and the Balanced Man they will see that they can work and can implement them in everyday life, it should not negativley affect your chapter.

[bows&toes]

Personally, I don't know of any sorrorities that haze bad, or haze at all. Sororities are a whole different animal and in my opinion don't require hazing.

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by bows&toes

Personally, I don't know of any sorrorities that haze bad, or haze at all. Sororities are a whole different animal and in my opinion don't require hazing.

No organization "requires" hazing. Or is there something in your constitution or bylaws that you'd like to share with us?

[Tom Earp]

Interesting thought DeltAlum!

LXA has Impact Leaderships that are programed to teach about many facets and especially hazing.

If a chapter is found to be hazing, it cost money from the HQ which means the members to send a ELC there to investigate. If it is found to be true, steps will be taken. If the chapter does not change, they will be suspended, or closed.