Israel at War?

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by Rudey

Much the same way, 4 UN soldiers died. Israel will investigate. Hezbollah has shot up UN personnel but nobody is investigating.

Oh really? When was the last time that Hezbollah used "precise" munitions to bomb those pesky UN troops using their post as an evacuation point for civilians? Or fired off a couple tank rounds at Ghanese UN troops operating an aid station and flying the Red Crescent?

Sorry Rudey but F-ck Isreal and the IDF claiming that it was an accident - you can't play it both ways by claiming that you carefully plot attacks and that guided muntions (bomb and arti) are used... and then turn around and claim that whoops you bombed a highly visible and plotted neutral position...

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by RACooper

Oh really? When was the last time that Hezbollah used "precise" munitions to bomb those pesky UN troops using their post as an evacuation point for civilians? Or fired off a couple tank rounds at Ghanese UN troops operating an aid station and flying the Red Crescent?

Sorry Rudey but F-ck Isreal and the IDF claiming that it was an accident - you can't play it both ways by claiming that you carefully plot attacks and that guided muntions (bomb and arti) are used... and then turn around and claim that whoops you bombed a highly visible and plotted neutral position...

Please tell me Rob how it would benefit Israel to bomb the UN intentionally? I would love to know.

Israel said it would investigate. It has been apologizing. The UN has backed away from its charge that it was intentional and is accepting that there will be an investigation.

-Rudey
--Oh and F-ck the UN for standing by while Israelis were murdered by Hezbollah in front of them, F-ck the UN for not releasing a video tape of the attack and their looking the other way, and F-ck the UN for pretending it's neutral.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by Rudey

-Rudey
--Oh and F-ck the UN for standing by while Israelis were murdered by Hezbollah in front of them, F-ck the UN for not releasing a video tape of the attack and their looking the other way, and F-ck the UN for pretending it's neutral.

Oohhh... so you want to play the blame game then huh...

Well F-ck Israel for prohibiting the UN from entering it's territory; F-ck Israel for not permitting the UN to bring it's wounded or wounded civilians into Israel; F-ck Israel for not allowing UN troops to intervene in any incident involving the IDF; F-ck Israel for destroying UN equipment and medicines that might be used to treat and move the wounded; and finally F-ck Israel for always thinking they are on the side of right...

[shinerbock]

No, congratulations to Israel on their wise decisions to not let the anti Israeli association known as the UN to interfere with their actions. The Israeli government is absolutely right in not allowing the UN to keep Israel from protecting its citizens. This situation shows the bias and worthlessness of the United Nations. If I were PM, I'd tell the UN that we'll allow the U.S. to send in aid, but the UN should get out. They don't need a psuedo-peace keeping organization interrupting their mission.

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by RACooper

Oohhh... so you want to play the blame game then huh...

Well F-ck Israel for prohibiting the UN from entering it's territory; F-ck Israel for not permitting the UN to bring it's wounded or wounded civilians into Israel; F-ck Israel for not allowing UN troops to intervene in any incident involving the IDF; F-ck Israel for destroying UN equipment and medicines that might be used to treat and move the wounded; and finally F-ck Israel for always thinking they are on the side of right...

Rob it's great that you ignore the points made. It's a sign of the fact that you can't address them.

Again, the UN is not saying it was deliberate and is happy there will be an investigation. But I am sure based on your expert opinion, it's otherwise.

And your F-ck points don't even make sense and are irrelevant. Israel has allowed a humanitarian corridor into Lebanon for medicines and supplies and allowed for international access to Lebanon to move foreign citizens out.

But again, it's great that the UN saw Israelis being murdered, looked the other way, and chose to not share a videotape of the incident. It's great that you addressed that Rob. And it's great that when nobody ever said Israel is always right, you come in to condemn Israel and its supporters for just that - clearly an indication that you are level headed and have no biases.

-Rudey

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by Rudey

Rob it's great that you ignore the points made. It's a sign of the fact that you can't address them.

Again, the UN is not saying it was deliberate and is happy there will be an investigation. But I am sure based on your expert opinion, it's otherwise.

Well I'd have to say evidence is kinda mounting that it was either deliberate or an act of gross military incompetence...

UN peacekeepers called Israel 10 times to ask for bombing halt before post hit

JERUSALEM (AP) - UN peacekeepers in southern Lebanon called the Israeli military 10 times in a six-hour period to ask it to halt its nearby bombing before their observation post was hit, killing a Canadian and three other observers, according to details of a preliminary UN report on the incident released to The Associated Press on Wednesday.

During each phone call, an Israeli official promised to halt the bombing, according to a UN official who had seen the preliminary report.

The UN peacekeepers at the post said the area within a kilometre of the post was hit with precision munitions, including 17 bombs and 12 artillery shells, four of which directly hit the post Tuesday, the report said.



... (and this tidbit)
Annan said the "co-ordinated artillery and aerial attack on a long established and clearly marked UN post at Khiam occurred despite personal assurances given to me by Prime Minister Ehud Olmert that UN positions would be spared Israeli fire."
rest of article at:
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/26072006/...bing-halt.html

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by RACooper

Well I'd have to say evidence is kinda mounting that it was either deliberate or an act of gross military incompetence...

UN peacekeepers called Israel 10 times to ask for bombing halt before post hit

When the United Nations force in Lebanon, known as UNIFIL, reported losing contact with the outpost, it secured safe passage from Israel to send in Indian troops, who found the shelter collapsed and the remains of three of the four peacekeepers.

Ms. Lute said that Secretary General Kofi Annan, who in a statement Tuesday night issued in Rome had called the attacks “apparently deliberate,” now accepted the Israeli government’s assurance that they were not [deliberate]. She said the United Nations welcomed Israel’s promise to conduct an immediate investigation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/wo...d-nations.html

Again you seem to not address the points while launching into a diatribe. The UN has accepted it's not deliberate and welcomes an investigation. At some point you need to stop making these judgement calls and realize that evidence will be presented by those that are qualified to do so.

-Rudey

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by Rudey

When the United Nations force in Lebanon, known as UNIFIL, reported losing contact with the outpost, it secured safe passage from Israel to send in Indian troops, who found the shelter collapsed and the remains of three of the four peacekeepers.

Ms. Lute said that Secretary General Kofi Annan, who in a statement Tuesday night issued in Rome had called the attacks “apparently deliberate,” now accepted the Israeli government’s assurance that they were not [deliberate]. She said the United Nations welcomed Israel’s promise to conduct an immediate investigation.
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/07/26/wo...d-nations.html

Again you seem to not address the points while launching into a diatribe. The UN has accepted it's not deliberate and welcomes an investigation. At some point you need to stop making these judgement calls and realize that evidence will be presented by those that are qualified to do so.

-Rudey

I'm just worried that once again political pressure will ruin any chance of the actual facts coming out... however I do know that the Irish protested the targeting and/or continued bombardment of their posts, and that Mj. Hess-von Kruedener did the same 10 times but was ignored... and at the end of the day a good officer of the PPCLI is dead becuase either: a) the IDF deliberately targeted his post (a former IDF post that the UN occupied in 1972) after bombarding the surrounding area for days before the fatal bombardment, or b) the IDF somehow misguided a GPS guided munition onto a highly visible, clearly marked position that was in communication with them at the time... either is a criminal act.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by Rudey

But again, it's great that the UN saw Israelis being murdered, looked the other way, and chose to not share a videotape of the incident. It's great that you addressed that Rob. And it's great that when nobody ever said Israel is always right, you come in to condemn Israel and its supporters for just that - clearly an indication that you are level headed and have no biases.

-Rudey

Well lets just say I'm biased in the way that I will trust the opinion and word of those I served with, more than the word of a decidely anti-UN media and IDF...

[KSig RC]

Originally Posted by RACooper

Well lets just say I'm biased in the way that I will trust the opinion and word of those I served with, more than the word of a decidely anti-UN media and IDF...

Weirdly biased anecdotal evidence?

This is the best thread in history!

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by RACooper

Well lets just say I'm biased in the way that I will trust the opinion and word of those I served with, more than the word of a decidely anti-UN media and IDF...

Let me repeat myself for dexterity. Nobody said that Israel was perfect and everything it does is correct and right. Israel is a country made of human beings, none of which is a proven deity that specializes in perfection.

You however, make it a point to come on here and condemn Israel and its supporters for something it hasn't claimed to be. Why? Do you dislike the country that much?

-Rudey

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by Rudey

Again, the UN is not saying it was deliberate and is happy there will be an investigation. But I am sure based on your expert opinion, it's otherwise.

Ah yes the UN Security Council dropped the language stating that it was an intentional or dileberate attack, as well as making any condemnation at the insistance of the US... I gotta say I'm ever so surprised that the US would take an anti-UN pro-Israel stance

But again, it's great that the UN saw Israelis being murdered, looked the other way, and chose to not share a videotape of the incident. It's great that you addressed that Rob. And it's great that when nobody ever said Israel is always right, you come in to condemn Israel and its supporters for just that - clearly an indication that you are level headed and have no biases.

-Rudey

Fair enough Rudey - please point out the number of times, and casualties, that Hezbollah (the "evil terrorists") has attacked a UN post... as say opposed to the number of times the Israelis (the "good guys") have done so...

When you wrap your mind around that - then you might understand why I condemn the "good guys" for yet again F-cking attacking the UN

Oh and nice to see that the IDF has refused any interviews or information to be forthcoming in the UN investivgation (again)... but it's going to be bloody hard to explain how Israel "accidently" dropped 3 laser-guided "bunker-buster
bombs... hopefully this time the IDF won't escape charges for a war-crime.

I'm sure the airforce folks on the site might be able to shed light on how improbible it is to claim this attack as "accidental" given the facts emerging.

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by RACooper

Ah yes the UN Security Council dropped the language stating that it was an intentional or dileberate attack, as well as making any condemnation at the insistance of the US... I gotta say I'm ever so surprised that the US would take an anti-UN pro-Israel stance



Fair enough Rudey - please point out the number of times, and casualties, that Hezbollah (the "evil terrorists") has attacked a UN post... as say opposed to the number of times the Israelis (the "good guys") have done so...

When you wrap your mind around that - then you might understand why I condemn the "good guys" for yet again F-cking attacking the UN

Oh and nice to see that the IDF has refused any interviews or information to be forthcoming in the UN investivgation (again)... but it's going to be bloody hard to explain how Israel "accidently" dropped 3 laser-guided "bunker-buster
bombs... hopefully this time the IDF won't escape charges for a war-crime.

I'm sure the airforce folks on the site might be able to shed light on how improbible it is to claim this attack as "accidental" given the facts emerging.

Rob it's good to know that Annan accepts that it wasn't intentional and is satisfied with an investigation while you are an armchair general that can provide expert advice with your limited skill set and condemn a country from the beginning. It's great that you can't come up with a single reason as to why they would do it also.

Oh and Rob, it's amazing that you don't comprehend something so simple as terrorists in Lebanon using human shields including the UN to protect themselves and cause PR damage while knowing they can kill anyone in Israel and it would be fine. Really, it's great.

-Rudey