Israel at War?

[DeltAlum]

Here's a theory. No basis in known fact on my part.

Maybe the real reason the US isn't demanding a cease fire is that we will support Israel (as our surrogate) in striking Iran (and maybe Syria) under the theme that they are supplying Hezbollah.

We give Israel lots of equipment, and they do our dirty work.

I'm not sure that would be wise, but...

As I said, just a theory.

[RU OX Alum]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Here's a theory. No basis in known fact on my part.

Maybe the real reason the US isn't demanding a cease fire is that we will support Israel (as our surrogate) in striking Iran (and maybe Syria) under the theme that they are supplying Hezbollah.

We give Israel lots of equipment, and they do our dirty work.

I'm not sure that would be wise, but...

As I said, just a theory.

Probably. I don't really know who to trust if anyone anymore. I used to not beleive in things like Puppet Govts and Conspirary Theories but as I grow older things look shaider and shadier.

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by DeltAlum

Here's a theory. No basis in known fact on my part.

Maybe the real reason the US isn't demanding a cease fire is that we will support Israel (as our surrogate) in striking Iran (and maybe Syria) under the theme that they are supplying Hezbollah.

We give Israel lots of equipment, and they do our dirty work.

I'm not sure that would be wise, but...

As I said, just a theory.

Well...

the countries that have said they want a cease fire, haven't done anything to back that up.

For example, none have dedicated peace keeping troops but keep discussing it. Germany said they'd get involved only if Hezbollah invites them in and a bunch of other conditions are met - essentially if those conditions are met there wouldn't be a need for any troops since there wouldn't be a war. The same goes for France and America since they don't want to dedicate troops there. Britain has said it's stretched out as well.

At the same time, the majority of the Arab world is Sunni and against the Iranians and Hezbollah so they want to see Hezbollah weakened. That's why they've condemned Hezbollah and really just played PR games with their own people and the news, but nothing more.

Really it's Russia, Syria, Iran, and Lebanon here against everyone else. Russia supplies weapons to Syria and Iran and those two then supply weapons and money to terrorists in Lebanon.

So what is the point of a ceasefire? Israel has blocked Lebanon off so it's harder to send in weapons, has been attacked by several thousand rockets, destroyed another several thousand rockets, and is letting the world know that status quo is unacceptable. Why would anyone want the cease fire? They have come to accept that same conclusion.

-Rudey

[RU OX Alum]

I think that maybe the rest of the world (not mid east) is saying "this is their war, it needs to be fought, let them fight"

I'd be against sending troops there as that would be a tacital error of judgement.

[AGDee]

Just wanted to clarify that it is NOT Lebanon itself, but the terrorist group of Hezbollah that is doing the bombing.

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by AGDee

Just wanted to clarify that it is NOT Lebanon itself, but the terrorist group of Hezbollah that is doing the bombing.

Let me clarify some things for you:

Hezbollah occupies 23 seats in the Parliament. It has not surrendered a single one since the war began. Aside from the seats it has, other Lebanese leaders including Lahoud are their supporters.

The 1990 Taif Agreement gave Hezbollah the state sanctioned right to police Lebanon's southern border with Israel. This agreement is still in effect despite a 2004 UN resolution demanding that Lebanon dismantle Hezbollah's presence along the border.

Hezbollah is the government. The government is Hezbollah.

-Rudey

[_Opi_]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5212870.stm

The Israeli army has been accused of using Palestinian civilians as human shields in an operation in northern Gaza.

According to the Israeli human rights group, B'tselem, six civilians including two minors were subjected to the illegal tactic during an incursion into the town of Beit Hanoun last week.

[_Opi_]

Not for the faint of heart

http://fromisraeltolebanon.info/

[Rudey]

Originally Posted by _Opi_

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5212870.stm

The Israeli army has been accused of using Palestinian civilians as human shields in an operation in northern Gaza.

According to the Israeli human rights group, B'tselem, six civilians including two minors were subjected to the illegal tactic during an incursion into the town of Beit Hanoun last week.

Do you even know anything or do you just want to spread BS?

The Palestinians use civilians as human shields. That's why they fire rockets from civilian areas and fight in civilian areas and have not stopped their terrorist actions.

That is the true atrocity. At any point Israel could demolish the entirety of Gaza and Lebanon with bombs or order a major ground invasion. It hasn't. It's done so to protect civilian lives. Meanwhile Arabs and Palestinians continually target civlians. When an Israeli dies, it's not because they killed him or her by accident.

-Rudey