Israel at War?

RACooper · #1 07-16-2006, 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudey

Rob the Lebanese military provided precise info on an Israeli ship to Hezbollah in their attack. Hezbollah has a large number of seats in the Parliament and has the power of patrolling the South. The government is 98% Hezbollah, 1% Syria, 1% Iran. If it crumbled what would change?

-Rudey

Gee I'm shocked that the Lebanese military provided info to help attack an Israeli ship

I'd being doing all I could to help strike back at someone bombing me... it's human nature to want to strike back at someone hitting you.

Rudey · #2 07-16-2006, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by RACooper

Gee I'm shocked that the Lebanese military provided info to help attack an Israeli ship

I'd being doing all I could to help strike back at someone bombing me... it's human nature to want to strike back at someone hitting you.

It's pretty clear that Lebanon started a war with Israel.

They hit Israel.

Israel hit back.

So let's not pretend that the Lebanese government had nothing to do with starting or continuing a war with Israel or pretend that its dissolution would change anything.

-Rudey

RACooper · #3 07-16-2006, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rudey

It's pretty clear that Lebanon started a war with Israel.

They hit Israel.

Israel hit back.

So let's not pretend that the Lebanese government had nothing to do with starting or continuing a war with Israel or pretend that its dissolution would change anything.

-Rudey

No... it's pretty clear that Hezbollah started this particular conflict.

Hezbollah attacks and kills Israeli soldiers, and kidnaps 2.

Israel retaliates against Lebanon as a whole.

Unlike you I'm more than capable of looking beyond the simplistic black and white, and see that the Lebanese government wouldn't have been involved - simply because it would further risk their already tenuous position, it would further risk giving Hezbollah more public/political power, and finally because the government subsits from grafts on the newly booming tourist business I can't see them willing to risk that lucrative skimming.

Now as for the Israeli demands... well they are pretty f*cking ludicrous right now - demanding that Lebanon disarm Hezbollah... how they hell is the Lebanese government and military supposed to disarm them in the middle of a warzone? Face it the hawks were looking for an excuse to flex some military muscle and they leaped on this as an excuse to bombard Lebanon once again...

Rudey · #4 07-16-2006, 02:45 PM

Hezbollah occupies 23 seats in the Parliament. It has not surrendered a single one since the war began. The 1990 Taif Agreement gave Hezbollah the state sanctioned right to police Lebanon's southern border with Israel. This agreement is still in effect despite a 2004 UN resolution demanding that Lebanon dismantle Hezbollah's presence along the border.

Hezbollah is the government. The government is Hezbollah.

Israel attacked weapons stockpiles, bridges, airports, and roads so that they couldn't move Israelis into Iran. It then attacked Hezbollah strongholds like headquarters, tv stations, and residences/neighborhoods of leaders.

Lebanon has attacked Israel pretty hard except hasn't been able to do the same amount of damage.

And yes, Lebanon should move its troops into the South. That was the demand. Otherwise they can continually do this over and over again. If the government is supposedly different from Hezbollah and can't do this, there is no reason why it should exist. It's just a mask.

Return the soldiers and move Hezbollah out of the South. It is a demand that the entire world has asked Lebanon to make.

-Rudey

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Originally Posted by RACooper

No... it's pretty clear that Hezbollah started this particular conflict.

Hezbollah attacks and kills Israeli soldiers, and kidnaps 2.

Israel retaliates against Lebanon as a whole.

Unlike you I'm more than capable of looking beyond the simplistic black and white, and see that the Lebanese government wouldn't have been involved - simply because it would further risk their already tenuous position, it would further risk giving Hezbollah more public/political power, and finally because the government subsits from grafts on the newly booming tourist business I can't see them willing to risk that lucrative skimming.

Now as for the Israeli demands... well they are pretty f*cking ludicrous right now - demanding that Lebanon disarm Hezbollah... how they hell is the Lebanese government and military supposed to disarm them in the middle of a warzone? Face it the hawks were looking for an excuse to flex some military muscle and they leaped on this as an excuse to bombard Lebanon once again...

Tom Earp · #5 07-16-2006, 04:38 PM

RUDEY I know that both You and RA COOPER are true on in this Situation to just call it that, But,Hezbollah, seems to have the same mentality and power to do what thay want no matter what.

But one must remember the mentality of these type of people!

They do not care much as Hammas do.

But, give credit due if it is true that other Arab Countrys are trying to get this calmed down.

This is going effect all of us no matter what, and now to see what Syria and Iran are going to do?

Rudey · #6 07-16-2006, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Tom Earp

RUDEY I know that both You and RA COOPER are true on in this Situation to just call it that, But,Hezbollah, seems to have the same mentality and power to do what thay want no matter what.

But one must remember the mentality of these type of people!

They do not care much as Hammas do.

But, give credit due if it is true that other Arab Countrys are trying to get this calmed down.

This is going effect all of us no matter what, and now to see what Syria and Iran are going to do?

Tom I agree. I think it's the same in Iraq. The Arabs have been brainwashed for generations now and it's impossible to just fix things with a gunshot or missile every once in a while. If we had nuked Iraq instead of just invading and let Israel woop some ass, then they'd understand.

The only problem with bombing Lebanon is that it's filled with some smoking hot girls. Smoking TOM!

-Rudey

RACooper · #7 07-17-2006, 02:53 PM

I'm still wondering how Canada is going to get the 40000+ citizens out of Lebanon (Israeli evacuation really isn't an issue)... including some 11000 in the south were communication is extremely difficult, and movement more so...

From the emails I've gotten from friends working on digs in the south things are really bad - landline phones are almost all down, cellphones and radios are being heavily jammed, no fuel to be had as the stations have all been bombed or shelled, in fact their only real method of communication is via a satelite hookup to their laptops... but that'll last only as long as the generator. Their immediate concern beyond their saftey is the food and water situation - which is really tight after having their host's house was destroyed... so far the locals have been generous with some food and water, as well as a gift of some batteries and supplies from a Hezbollah group passing through.

As for the other group of students on the other side of the border, things have gone alot better - the Israeli military was very efficient in getting them out of the immediate area (well to set up a arti-bat) and last I heard the spent the night outside of Hiafa at the Carmelite convet before heading further south to get out of the country.