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Old 07-16-2006, 01:36 PM
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Hmmm... it seems to be ratcheting up still without much being done to mitigate the violence...

Personally I'm worried about the hardening of the Israeli public opinion towards peace and the increasing acceptance of force as the first response. What is also very worrisome is the increasing chance that the Lebanese government will fall and Hezbollah will sieze power.

In other news it has been reported that 5 Canadians were killed in todays air strikes on Lebanon ... and of course our asshat Conservative government is out of touch with reality when it comes to helping citizens ~ Peter Mckay telling them to check the "website" for info on how to get out of Lebanon - he might be forgetting that internet access isn't really all that easy to get at in a warzone... perhaps they should actually get about doing something that parroting Bush's policies and statements.
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Old 07-16-2006, 01:41 PM
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Hmmm... it seems to be ratcheting up still without much being done to mitigate the violence...

Personally I'm worried about the hardening of the Israeli public opinion towards peace and the increasing acceptance of force as the first response. What is also very worrisome is the increasing chance that the Lebanese government will fall and Hezbollah will sieze power.

In other news it has been reported that 5 Canadians were killed in todays air strikes on Lebanon
Rob the Lebanese military provided precise info on an Israeli ship to Hezbollah in their attack. Hezbollah has a large number of seats in the Parliament and has the power of patrolling the South. The government is 98% Hezbollah, 1% Syria, 1% Iran. If it crumbled what would change?

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Old 07-16-2006, 01:45 PM
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Rob the Lebanese military provided precise info on an Israeli ship to Hezbollah in their attack. Hezbollah has a large number of seats in the Parliament and has the power of patrolling the South. The government is 98% Hezbollah, 1% Syria, 1% Iran. If it crumbled what would change?

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Gee I'm shocked that the Lebanese military provided info to help attack an Israeli ship I'd being doing all I could to help strike back at someone bombing me... it's human nature to want to strike back at someone hitting you.
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Old 07-16-2006, 02:08 PM
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Gee I'm shocked that the Lebanese military provided info to help attack an Israeli ship I'd being doing all I could to help strike back at someone bombing me... it's human nature to want to strike back at someone hitting you.
It's pretty clear that Lebanon started a war with Israel.

They hit Israel.

Israel hit back.

So let's not pretend that the Lebanese government had nothing to do with starting or continuing a war with Israel or pretend that its dissolution would change anything.

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Old 07-16-2006, 02:19 PM
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It's pretty clear that Lebanon started a war with Israel.

They hit Israel.

Israel hit back.

So let's not pretend that the Lebanese government had nothing to do with starting or continuing a war with Israel or pretend that its dissolution would change anything.

-Rudey
No... it's pretty clear that Hezbollah started this particular conflict.

Hezbollah attacks and kills Israeli soldiers, and kidnaps 2.

Israel retaliates against Lebanon as a whole.

Unlike you I'm more than capable of looking beyond the simplistic black and white, and see that the Lebanese government wouldn't have been involved - simply because it would further risk their already tenuous position, it would further risk giving Hezbollah more public/political power, and finally because the government subsits from grafts on the newly booming tourist business I can't see them willing to risk that lucrative skimming.

Now as for the Israeli demands... well they are pretty f*cking ludicrous right now - demanding that Lebanon disarm Hezbollah... how they hell is the Lebanese government and military supposed to disarm them in the middle of a warzone? Face it the hawks were looking for an excuse to flex some military muscle and they leaped on this as an excuse to bombard Lebanon once again...
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Hezbollah occupies 23 seats in the Parliament. It has not surrendered a single one since the war began. The 1990 Taif Agreement gave Hezbollah the state sanctioned right to police Lebanon's southern border with Israel. This agreement is still in effect despite a 2004 UN resolution demanding that Lebanon dismantle Hezbollah's presence along the border.

Hezbollah is the government. The government is Hezbollah.

Israel attacked weapons stockpiles, bridges, airports, and roads so that they couldn't move Israelis into Iran. It then attacked Hezbollah strongholds like headquarters, tv stations, and residences/neighborhoods of leaders.

Lebanon has attacked Israel pretty hard except hasn't been able to do the same amount of damage.

And yes, Lebanon should move its troops into the South. That was the demand. Otherwise they can continually do this over and over again. If the government is supposedly different from Hezbollah and can't do this, there is no reason why it should exist. It's just a mask.

Return the soldiers and move Hezbollah out of the South. It is a demand that the entire world has asked Lebanon to make.

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No... it's pretty clear that Hezbollah started this particular conflict.

Hezbollah attacks and kills Israeli soldiers, and kidnaps 2.

Israel retaliates against Lebanon as a whole.

Unlike you I'm more than capable of looking beyond the simplistic black and white, and see that the Lebanese government wouldn't have been involved - simply because it would further risk their already tenuous position, it would further risk giving Hezbollah more public/political power, and finally because the government subsits from grafts on the newly booming tourist business I can't see them willing to risk that lucrative skimming.

Now as for the Israeli demands... well they are pretty f*cking ludicrous right now - demanding that Lebanon disarm Hezbollah... how they hell is the Lebanese government and military supposed to disarm them in the middle of a warzone? Face it the hawks were looking for an excuse to flex some military muscle and they leaped on this as an excuse to bombard Lebanon once again...
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RUDEY I know that both You and RA COOPER are true on in this Situation to just call it that, But,Hezbollah, seems to have the same mentality and power to do what thay want no matter what.

But one must remember the mentality of these type of people!

They do not care much as Hammas do.

But, give credit due if it is true that other Arab Countrys are trying to get this calmed down.

This is going effect all of us no matter what, and now to see what Syria and Iran are going to do?
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