Order of the Eastern Star

[PHA_luv]

Originally Posted by PrinceHall

To ALL non-masons and aspirants,

Don't pay attention to people who make statements like this^^ when it comes to Masonry;besides,I know who the person is that made the post I am replying to. YES, do your research. Please know that ALL organizations get stereotyped,talked about,etc..,especially the biggest organizations out here(e.g. Masonry). Masonry is the biggest influence on ALL Greek-Lettered Fraternities and sororities; And in particular with predominately black Masonry here in the U.S. (known as Prince Hall Masons and OES,etc.) is why the B.G.L.O.'s exsist today. YES,there are fake,"bogus" people out here that CLAIM to be Masons and OES...particularly in the Black community...all of them were started by expelled Prince Hall Masons(go research on this as well).White masons in the south( more than half of them) dont recognize any black mason (whether fake or legit)because of racism,but things are changing and getting better and technically,PRince Hall Masons and OES is recognized as "regular" and legit all over the world(we do have lodges and other houses in other countries and on military bases);what matters is...are you a 'mainstream'(white) or Prince Hall Mason or OES. YES, you have to pay dues if you become a member...JUST LIKE ANY OTHER ORGANIZATION (i.e. church,synagouge,mousk,boy scouts,girls scouts,etc..). And last but not least...you're NOT signing your life way...lol.Oh,and Masonry is NOT a relgion..


...that's why it's important to do research and speak with a Mason or Eastern Star in general.

Great way to address this comment. I would like to add that with any organization there are certain cultural issues such as race that is changing in this nation, yes it is a slow some times painfully change, but these changes have been filtering down into all of our organizations.

In the chapter that I was initiated into, which is Prince Hall Affiliated (predominantly black), I had a white sister that I love dearly that was initiated with me as well as a mixed (mexican/black) sister, and a mexican sister that I was initiated with as well.

Also in the MD jurisdiction the predominantly black Prince Hall Masons and the Predominantly white Masons had it formally passed that they will recognize each other and have co-sponosored events where they bring in new masons, black and white, together in a joint effort to formally show that it's about the organization and the things we do for our communities as a whole, not about our race.

I think some of the main points that should be looked at here for any organization is to do your research, as to get as much of a good idea as possible about what you are getting your self into. Make sure that you are still putting your organization in the correct place on your life's priority list. Your higher source of spiritual guidence, your family, your career, etc. Don't neglect your life's responsibilities. Be a positive force in your organization. Ever heard of the saying "If you're not on the way, then you're in the way." -Unknown? Don't be in the way of the positive progress of your organization.

[beverysure]

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[beverysure]

WHAT IS THE UNIVERSAL BROTHERHOOD OF MAN AND THE FATHERHOOD OF GOD ? AND HOW DOSE JESUS CHRIST THE ONLY WAY TO GOD FIT IN OR DOSE HE FIT IN TO THAT CONCEPT


http://www.fish4masons.org/issues/pd...FJ_fogbom.PDF?

[PrinceHall]

Originally Posted by PHA_luv

Great way to address this comment. I would like to add that with any organization there are certain cultural issues such as race that is changing in this nation, yes it is a slow some times painfully change, but these changes have been filtering down into all of our organizations.

In the chapter that I was initiated into, which is Prince Hall Affiliated (predominantly black), I had a white sister that I love dearly that was initiated with me as well as a mixed (mexican/black) sister, and a mexican sister that I was initiated with as well.

Also in the MD jurisdiction the predominantly black Prince Hall Masons and the Predominantly white Masons had it formally passed that they will recognize each other and have co-sponosored events where they bring in new masons, black and white, together in a joint effort to formally show that it's about the organization and the things we do for our communities as a whole, not about our race.

I think some of the main points that should be looked at here for any organization is to do your research, as to get as much of a good idea as possible about what you are getting your self into. Make sure that you are still putting your organization in the correct place on your life's priority list. Your higher source of spiritual guidence, your family, your career, etc. Don't neglect your life's responsibilities. Be a positive force in your organization. Ever heard of the saying "If you're not on the way, then you're in the way." -Unknown? Don't be in the way of the positive progress of your organization.

VERY well said, sis.

YES, everywhere except 10 states in the south recognizes Prince Hall Masons and Eastern Stars; Racism from the white bruhs down there insn't the main issue that much anymore. See,recognition works both ways meaning that the Prince Hall(predominately black) Masons have to recognize the 'Mainstream' (Predominately white) Masons and vise versa. For instance, in Tennessee and Alabama the White Bruhs actually requested recognition from the Prince Hall bruhs in those two states,but the Prince Hall bruhs turned THEM down...they basically said "we aight." So when you think about it,the black bruhs down there are racists as well....not all of them,and not all of the white bruhs are like that just quite a few too many are. But like I stated before,things are changing in a positive way,so...


P.S., that "Beverysure" guy be on alot of other greek/masonic websites false prophetizing as well,so don't pay any attnetion to him...we're all adults,so therefore do your research and make your own decisions...you will never know unless you go through...guessing and coming up with lies will only make you miserable...

[beverysure]

If you want the truth dont listen to these guys because they are bound to COCEAL THE REAL. www.fish4masons.org Now these ex masons will tell the truth they are bound by the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. WHO THE SON SETS FREE IS FREE INDEED

DID THE WORD OF GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH?

[PrinceHall]

Originally Posted by beverysure

If you want the truth dont listen to these guys because they are bound to COCEAL THE REAL. www.fish4masons.org Now these ex masons will tell the truth they are bound by the BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST. WHO THE SON SETS FREE IS FREE INDEED

DID THE WORD OF GOD MANIFEST IN THE FLESH?

so since you're listening to some "ex-masons",you think you know it all now,huh?I have heard ex-Omegas,ex-AKA;s,etc.,talk bad about their "ex-organization," but I never look at the organization different.I hear about certain chapter's of XYZ frat when it comes to hazing,but I dont look at the organization as a whole in a bad way.People have left the fraternal order of Masonry as well as Greek-Lettered organizations and organizations in general(i.e. church),because they saw reason to do so whether it made sense to leave or not. People leave organizations for the typical reasons you hear all the time(and really,it's not an epidemic);because they been through a few bad experiences,or just because someone stopped them from doing what they wanted to do in the org.,or because that organization was just not for them,etc...I can go on and on. when it all boils down to it,people make the choice to do what they want to do;nobody can control that but that person....even GOD leaves it up to us to make choices whether right or wrong,but he will ALWAYS show us the right way and he will always speak to us;never leave or forsake us,period. ALL GLO's and Masons/Eastern Stars are taught to NEVER put the organization before GOD,family and other important priorities like your job,school,etc. Greek-Lettered organizations and Masonry are all christian-based organizations;none of them are a religion! In order to be a mason you have to be a believer in GOD;I can't speak for the Greeks on that,but with Masonry,yes....and they check that type of stuff. Most of the masons and eastern stars that I've met are christian's...strong believer's in GOD and christ jesus;Muslims and Jewish can join the Order as well,because they are believers as well.So I speak again,Masonry is NOT a religion,but has alot of religious character in it. Masonry is all through the Holy Bible,because it is symbolic of the Holy bible.See why it is important to do your research,and never dwell off of someone's comments?

[beverysure]

"Always put GOD first..nothing else" which god?


My God is Jesus Christ is yours?

prince i agree with most of what you say. What you said earlier is the same thing a former 33rd degree mason told me in new york and after researching and knowing my bglo ritual I denounced. I loved my frat but I love Jesus Christ more.

[PHA_luv]

I have a honest question to ask . The people who are denouncing their organizations because they are putting God first, did you not know how to do that when you were in your organization?

I'm really trying to get an understanding of the arguments that many people that put up links like this do & I just can't understand their arguments or points . Never once in my organization have I been asked, ordered, or it even been implied to put the organization before anything, especially not God, family, or work.

Second I know how to keep God first in my life no matter how demanding things can be in my life , so is the problem that these people get too caught up in their organizations then see that they are putting their organizations first, then feel so upset about it instead of devoting more time to their savior and put their organization in it's proper place in their life, they feel that they can't balance the two out so it's either one or the other???

I'm really not trying to be funny, I'm just trying to understand since the solution to the issue for these people seems clear to me. Cut back on the org and devote more time to God. It doesn't mean that you have to denounce anything.

[beverysure]

my testimony is... one day i came from the club fell
a sleep and woke up the next day with the thought to
not eat meat for 30 days ...now at this time i was not
a christian i was into all sorts of philosophies and
religions ... i figured what did i have to lose but a
couple pounds .. but 15 days into this no meat fast i
woke up free from weed. it was weird .. then i went to
my job and saw a flyer to audition for a play. i was
cast in a gospel play . when i read the script i knew
this play was about me. the name of the play was MAMA
DEE'S GIRLS. now i am rehearsing with these praying
Christians. no one new that i was not a follower i fit
in because i was raised in the church. before we went
on the road i came home for new years eve 2001 ...i
was headed for a party and on the way i was selling
one of my foul Cd's to this young girl at the gas
station... well as soon as that 10 dollars hit my hand
i was convicted and new i was wrong in pushing this
lyrical pornography. i looked at her and asked what
she was doing tonight and she said she was going to
church. and i knew what God was telling me TO DO. i
walked in church and all i heard was family this and
family that. and for the first time i realized that i
had become an apostle of satan in fact when i looked
at my shirt during church service it was covered with
dragons breathing fire. i left that night and decided
to do a gospel CD. songs just came TO ME and i
recorded them ....7 months later i ended up in Atlanta
at Bishop Eddie Longs church. that was the first time
i heard a preacher who was an omega say that he did a
foolish thing by branding his body. i just brushed it
off. a church from new york invited ME to work with
their choir and i followed them that very weekend . on
the way i brother asked me how was i doing gospel
music and i did not have a bible. i said i don't
know...well i met Sean slaughter around the 4 of July
and we hit it off .AND WE DID A CD CALLED THA DUGEON.
the church gave me my first bible and i was cool .then
A Nigerian prophet layed hands on me and when i
finally got up OFF THE FLOOR ...i went back to my
basement apt in queens and began to devour the bible.
i met a former 33rd degree mason who told me about the
god of the lodge and the connection to frats 2 weeks
later i denounced and about a month or so later GOD
SPOKE TO ME AND TOLD ME TO MARRY THIS WOMEN FROM HAITI
WHOM I HAD JUST MET.

IT WAS THE BEST THING I EVER DONE FALLING IN LOVE
WITH JESUS ...WHO IN RETURN GAVE ME HIS SPIRIT, A WIFE ,3 KIDS
, a HOME ,A VAN AND A MUSIC MINISTRY

THANK YOU YAHSHUA

[PHA_luv]

That is wonderful that you have rebuilt a very strong relationship with God, but I'm sorry I did not see the answer to the question that I asked in your testimony. To me it seemed that if you were trying to answer my question that your life was basically already away from God & then you came back to him. I'm talking about those that already have a strong relationship with God and that already put him first. Let me post up what the original questions that I had up again so that they can clearly be answered.

Originally Posted by PHA_luv

I have a honest question to ask . The people who are denouncing their organizations because they are putting God first, did you not know how to do that when you were in your organization?

I'm really trying to get an understanding of the arguments that many people that put up links like this do & I just can't understand their arguments or points . Never once in my organization have I been asked, ordered, or it even been implied to put the organization before anything, especially not God, family, or work.

Second I know how to keep God first in my life no matter how demanding things can be in my life , so is the problem that these people get too caught up in their organizations then see that they are putting their organizations first, then feel so upset about it instead of devoting more time to their savior and put their organization in it's proper place in their life, they feel that they can't balance the two out so it's either one or the other???

I'm really not trying to be funny, I'm just trying to understand since the solution to the issue for these people seems clear to me. Cut back on the org and devote more time to God. It doesn't mean that you have to denounce anything.