Stage set for possible showdown on gay marriage

[valkyrie]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well it depends on how you look at it. Prior to a few years ago the definition of marriage was between members of the opposite sex. Why then should we allow gay marriage?

Because there is no non-religious reason not to allow it. I don't think that "tradition" is a valid argument.

[shinerbock]

Well, thats your opinion as well. A lot of people in this country value traditions, and the things we hold dear. Unfortunately much of that is under attack from groups on a certain side on the political spectrum.

[greekalum]

Some traditions are discriminatory and our country has a long history of moving towards MORE equal rights, not less. Liberty and justice and equal protection under the law for ALL is a tradition a lot of people in this country also value.

[shinerbock]

I wouldnt say its unfair to gays. Seeing as marriage is between a man and woman, they simply don't fit the bill. In addition, I'm going to start another thread regarding Conservative v. Liberal policy, because this completely idiotic and unfounded political correctness that exists on this board is starting to get to me, and I need to vent.

[SOPi_Jawbreaker]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I wouldnt say its unfair to gays. Seeing as marriage is between a man and woman, they simply don't fit the bill.

Using that same line of thinking, let's bring back segregation. Marriage should be between blacks and blacks or whites and whites. It's not unfair. If someone happens to fall in love with someone of a different race, well too bad.

Originally Posted by shinerbock

In addition, I'm going to start another thread regarding Conservative v. Liberal policy, because this completely idiotic and unfounded political correctness that exists on this board is starting to get to me, and I need to vent.

Or you could just go back to Fratty.

[shinerbock]

I could, I know how liberals hate opposition. You'd much rather everything be from your slant. Ironic then, that people on this site are open-minded, unless of course, you have an opinion like mine. By the way, Moveon.org called, and they want their talking points back.

[shinerbock]

Yes, what an incredibly valid argument regarding interracial marriage. Please note, when I say incredibly valid, I mean incredibly stupid. The original definition of marriage was the joining of two members of the opposite sex. It should remain as such.

[kddani]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I could, I know how liberals hate opposition. You'd much rather everything be from your slant. Ironic then, that people on this site are open-minded, unless of course, you have an opinion like mine. By the way, Moveon.org called, and they want their talking points back.

You can't back up your opinion, that's the problem. You can't give logical arguments to things, and you can't have a discussion without name calling and insulting people. You can't handle people questioning your reason, which is a part of any decent debate or discussion. No one takes you seriously.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I could, I know how liberals hate opposition. You'd much rather everything be from your slant. Ironic then, that people on this site are open-minded, unless of course, you have an opinion like mine. By the way, Moveon.org called, and they want their talking points back.

To bad I'm not a Liberal (party or platform), but rather a Conservative - and I for one support Gay Marriage (and will continue to if Bush's sock puppet challenges it in Parliament).

We went through the arguement up here a few years back, and we pretty much heard it all in the arguement for and against... the Liberals argued Civil & Human Rights, while Harper and co. argued "God & the Bible" ~ needless to say the "conservative" platform lost because the fundies kept shooting themselves in the foot, while the Liberals fell back on the rule of law.

Well suffice to say, Canada hasn't been plunged into hellfire and the heavens haven't rained brimstone down on us... in fact everything is pretty much the same as before except in the minds of the far right up here. I don't know, I guess it's because there are a hell of lot more important issues in the world than stopping two people who love each other from getting married...

[DeltAlum]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

I could, I know how liberals hate opposition.

Neither side, nor any third party (not necessarily political party in this case) enjoys opposition.

This might be what students of propaganda techniques would call a "glittering generality." While there may be some basis in fact, it is far from the total story.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well, thats your opinion as well. A lot of people in this country value traditions, and the things we hold dear. Unfortunately much of that is under attack from groups on a certain side on the political spectrum.

Hear! Hear! I agree... damn those neo-conservatives and their corruption or subversion of many tradtional rights and values.

[shinerbock]

Well, as cute as that was, it is pretty inaccurate.

[RACooper]

Originally Posted by shinerbock

Well, as cute as that was, it is pretty inaccurate.

In what way? Traditionally if you look at the Left and the Right in US politics... and further back in British Parliamentary politics it was the left that was almost always the ones that pulled the "faith" or "emotion" card when it came to political wrangling... now instead it seems to be the new tactic of the conservatives - abandoning academia, intellectualism, and rationalism in favour of taking the left's traditional avenue of political attack.