School Daze question.

shinerbock · #1 07-12-2006, 03:45 PM

Its good to hear you're proud of your group's accomplishments, and they seem to be numerous. That aside, I don't understand why black orgs somehow think that having graduate and alumni chapters in some way makes them superior. I'm glad it works for those groups, but it surely doesn't hinder traditional IFC members from being successful. If you need examples, consider the U.S. House of Representatives, The U.S. Senate, and the President of the United States.

DSTCHAOS · #2 07-12-2006, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Its good to hear you're proud of your group's accomplishments, and they seem to be numerous. That aside, I don't understand why black orgs somehow think that having graduate and alumni chapters in some way makes them superior. I'm glad it works for those groups, but it surely doesn't hinder traditional IFC members from being successful. If you need examples, consider the U.S. House of Representatives, The U.S. Senate, and the President of the United States.

Superior isn't the word I would use, but there are three reasons:

1) A bulk of our membership comes from graduate intake and a lot of social action occurs at the graduate level. It is expressed to all new initiates that what they are doing with the organization while in college is just the tip of the iceberg. You can find active and financial members of our organizations quite easily once you graduate.
2) Our organizations pride ourselves with being lifetime commitments--this is something that we tell people at informationals and interest meetings.
3) A more socially significant explanation: When minority groups are deemed inferior by the majority for many years, the minority groups often latch onto certain group norms and traditions for which they are proud of. It's their way of reclaiming their place and gaining their own identity without needing the majority to legitimate their existence

shinerbock · #3 07-12-2006, 04:06 PM

Which is all fine, but I'm not sure the influence and success of traditionally black fraternity members against their white counterparts would come at all close to favoring those black organizations.

DSTCHAOS · #4 07-12-2006, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Which is all fine, but I'm not sure the influence and success of traditionally black fraternity members against their white counterparts would come at all close to favoring those black organizations.

Well, shinerbock, I did not know that this was a pissing contest. Pardon me for being improperly dressed. But you should re-read #3 from my post above to understand why your attempt at comparison really means nothing.

shinerbock · #5 07-12-2006, 04:27 PM

Theres really not a pissing contest at all. However, when you give three reasons why traditionally black groups are ________(enter appropriate term but not quite "superior here), you should expect such a response.

DSTCHAOS · #6 07-12-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

you should expect such a response.

Only from someone who didn't read my 3 reasons.

shinerbock · #7 07-12-2006, 05:18 PM

No no, I read them. If you are saying those are three reasons you enjoy your membership, then that is understandable. However, from your post it seems you are comparing them to white groups.

alchemistoxi · #8 07-13-2006, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Its good to hear you're proud of your group's accomplishments, and they seem to be numerous. That aside, I don't understand why black orgs somehow think that having graduate and alumni chapters in some way makes them superior. I'm glad it works for those groups, but it surely doesn't hinder traditional IFC members from being successful. If you need examples, consider the U.S. House of Representatives, The U.S. Senate, and the President of the United States.

That's all said and done, yes "traditional" ifc members do also become successful. Your main point about 5 pages back was that you never heard of successful BGLO members, which could have been rectified by simple research. Now onto the topic of livelong membership, look at your "traditional" ifc members. Do they still claim the fact that they were a part of a great orginization (which I have no doubt about your or any other "white" fraternity being)? Do they still hold those ideals high, and still contribute to the best interests of the brotherhood/sisterhood? That's why we hold our graduate and alumni chapters to high regard. Because being an Alpha, or a Delta or what have you is a LIFELONG commitment. Not just something that just passes. If it wasn't then you would have lost the meaning of fraternity/brotherhood. And we have people in the senate, we have people in the house of representatives also. So you couldn't really point that out, unless your point is that the majority of people in office are white.

(and before you assume, I am a white member of a BGLO)

bows&toes · #9 07-13-2006, 09:21 PM

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Originally Posted by alchemistoxi

(and before you assume, I am a white member of a BGLO)

oh god..

DSTRen13 · #10 08-01-2006, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by bows&toes

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Originally Posted by alchemistoxi

(and before you assume, I am a white member of a BGLO)

oh god..

Problem?

alchemistoxi · #11 08-03-2006, 08:03 PM

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Problem?

I don't think whoever posted that has a right to have a problem, but I'm half white and half african american, but I do have best frends who also appen to be brothers in Alpha who are, in fact, white brothers.

Shit, in D.C alone last weekend, I met and saw so many "white" brothers that it was crazy. I loved every minute of it. Knowing that our rich history had been intergrated since 1945, and since the first white brother was made right here in Chicago, they've been there in ever since....

shinerbock · #12 08-03-2006, 08:04 PM

Thats cool, but I don't think I could do it. I don't understand how it works for those white guys, but if they like it, it works for them.

alchemistoxi · #13 08-03-2006, 08:18 PM

I mean, it all about how comfortable you are.
A brotherhood is all about trust, and having trust in your ships/sandz/line brothers
A lot of white brothers joined because they said, and I quote, "predominantly white fraternities are not doing anything for the community"

Those are words from a white brothers mouth, and it actually made me think about this conversation we've been having on this forum.

And it all comes down to this, every campus is completely different. On your campus, APhiA might not be so proactive. On my campus, we have older brothers like Danny Davis Jr come out and support our events, we visit the capitol, not only to celebrate being the oldest BGLO but to lobby for things we find meaningful. On your campus, they might be the gun toting ignorant ass people that take "being greek" WAYY to seriously.

While, for your fraternity, on your campus, they might be extremely proactive, and on my campus, they might just drink and try to fick drunk girls....

You see what I'm trying to say?

TheMan1906 · #14 08-29-2006, 02:16 AM

O.K., I have read through the many posts on this thread and have a few things to say. What the IFC frat gentleman is referring to is a totally different experience than what we have in the NPHC. I am an Alpha, or member of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. On my campus, we have pretty good relationships with IFC members like Delta Tau Delta (note they do not use Inc. and asked us to take it off the flier). In addition to DTD, Tau Kappa Epsilon and others IFC frats have done programs with my college chapter. In my alumni chapter and many others, there is alot of POLITICS, bickering about senseless/useless things among the work we may do in the community.

Do not knock the IFC because as the gentleman said, they prepare the initiates and members IN COLLEGE to be successful in the real world, something HONESTLY we in the NPHC do not do for the most part as a whole! Now, there are some chapters, some states and regions within all our orgs that BETTER prepare us for the REAL WORLD, but most of the time I do not believe this to be the case.

Also, alumni members of IFC orgs DO GIVE BACK, how do you think they have those BIG fraternity houses (in some cases, not all)? The alumni aspect as the gentleman also eluded to briefly is more of a training nature in college and then financial backing on the alumni ranks, so why do they really need grad/alumni chapters? The fact is they don't to serve the function they need. As an NPHC member, honestly ask yourself how hard it would be to get a SIGNFICANT contribution of money from your a) alumni/grad/grand chapter, b) National Organization?

So, I hope I have shed some light on this situation and not upset anyone from the NPHC/IFC/NPC or other fraternities. And yes, some of the founders of my great organization served as waiters and learned many things from the frat boys at Cornell in regards to a fraternity structure. Is it to say we borrowed rituals, or anything else, no that is not necessarily the case or point? It does however show that there is no need to knock the organizations or members, even if they do not know anything about us or our connection to them or similarities.

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Originally Posted by alchemistoxi

That's all said and done, yes "traditional" ifc members do also become successful. Your main point about 5 pages back was that you never heard of successful BGLO members, which could have been rectified by simple research. Now onto the topic of livelong membership, look at your "traditional" ifc members. Do they still claim the fact that they were a part of a great orginization (which I have no doubt about your or any other "white" fraternity being)? Do they still hold those ideals high, and still contribute to the best interests of the brotherhood/sisterhood? That's why we hold our graduate and alumni chapters to high regard. Because being an Alpha, or a Delta or what have you is a LIFELONG commitment. Not just something that just passes. If it wasn't then you would have lost the meaning of fraternity/brotherhood. And we have people in the senate, we have people in the house of representatives also. So you couldn't really point that out, unless your point is that the majority of people in office are white.

(and before you assume, I am a white member of a BGLO)

bows&toes · #15 08-30-2006, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMan1906

O.K., I have read through the many posts on this thread and have a few things to say. What the IFC frat gentleman is referring to is a totally different experience than what we have in the NPHC. I am an Alpha, or member of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity, Inc. On my campus, we have pretty good relationships with IFC members like Delta Tau Delta (note they do not use Inc. and asked us to take it off the flier). In addition to DTD, Tau Kappa Epsilon and others IFC frats have done programs with my college chapter. In my alumni chapter and many others, there is alot of POLITICS, bickering about senseless/useless things among the work we may do in the community.

Do not knock the IFC because as the gentleman said, they prepare the initiates and members IN COLLEGE to be successful in the real world, something HONESTLY we in the NPHC do not do for the most part as a whole! Now, there are some chapters, some states and regions within all our orgs that BETTER prepare us for the REAL WORLD, but most of the time I do not believe this to be the case.

Also, alumni members of IFC orgs DO GIVE BACK, how do you think they have those BIG fraternity houses (in some cases, not all)? The alumni aspect as the gentleman also eluded to briefly is more of a training nature in college and then financial backing on the alumni ranks, so why do they really need grad/alumni chapters? The fact is they don't to serve the function they need. As an NPHC member, honestly ask yourself how hard it would be to get a SIGNFICANT contribution of money from your a) alumni/grad/grand chapter, b) National Organization?

So, I hope I have shed some light on this situation and not upset anyone from the NPHC/IFC/NPC or other fraternities. And yes, some of the founders of my great organization served as waiters and learned many things from the frat boys at Cornell in regards to a fraternity structure. Is it to say we borrowed rituals, or anything else, no that is not necessarily the case or point? It does however show that there is no need to knock the organizations or members, even if they do not know anything about us or our connection to them or similarities.

Finally, an intelligent post.