Grillz are barred at some Texas schools

Marie · #1 07-11-2006, 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Drolefille

Also, a point, these aren't "adults" these are kids. Let them do what they want after they're out of school

THANK YOU!! I don't see anything wrong with making kids abide by rules/regulations/dress codes. I mean come on...most of the rules in school are simply based upon the opinions of the principal or members of the school board. It doesn't mean that we need to scrap the rulebook.

I really like this line from the article: "We want to instill in them a sense of modesty and a sense of community," said school board trustee Gloria Pena. "We're preparing them for the work force, and in the work force there are rules."

shinerbock · #2 07-11-2006, 06:46 PM

"We want to instill in them a sense of modesty and a sense of community," said school board trustee Gloria Pena. "We're preparing them for the work force, and in the work force there are rules."

Brilliant. Now if only people would realize thats what we are often trying to do when we "haze" our pledges...

KSig RC · #3 07-11-2006, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie

I really like this line from the article: "We want to instill in them a sense of modesty and a sense of community," said school board trustee Gloria Pena. "We're preparing them for the work force, and in the work force there are rules."

I completely disagree with the 'modesty' part of the equation, but can respect the 'community' portion - I think I've laid out my reasons in earlier posts.

shinerbock · #4 07-11-2006, 06:51 PM

True, modesty is a horrible thing. God forbid.

AKA_Monet · #5 07-11-2006, 07:56 PM

The issue with grillz may not only be one of "distraction" between children and developing a sense of mediocrity and needless, excessive indulgence.

The issue may be that youth are still physically developing from hormones to psyche. Most of the time, the grillz are not made by altruistic board certified general dentists, oral surgeons, orthodontists or even dental hygenists. They are probably purchased from a dealer at a unsanitary location with poor precious metallurgy that probably contains toxic levels of lead...

And amounts of lead exposure can cause chronic health problems later in life. And if children are inserting these items in their mouths when they are still underdeveloped, then who will be addressing the lead posioning that ensues? You and I the taxpayer...

Moreover, since these appliances are not made to "fit" the mouth properly--like I do not know many dental school programs that offer grillz continuing education courses--then that sets these kids bites completely off causing them to not properly eat their food the first step of digestion, I think call mastication.

Don't these children have enough to contend with in life than worrying about dentures at age 25-30? Along with poor dental hygiene which has been shown to be a root cause to a lot of disease outcomes, such as heart disease, obesity, maladsorption, colon cancer, sleep apnea and stroke?

As a taxpayer, I am not interested in paying for a 25 year old who made poor choices in life... But that is just me...

shinerbock · #6 07-11-2006, 09:00 PM

Even more importantly than your extensive and well informed comments regarding medical danger, they're also stupid. Public schools foster stupidity enough, lets draw the line here.

f8nacn · #7 07-11-2006, 09:10 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

Even more importantly than your extensive and well informed comments regarding medical danger, they're also stupid. Public schools foster stupidity enough, lets draw the line here.

I agree with you 100%

tunatartare · #8 07-11-2006, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

Moreover, since these appliances are not made to "fit" the mouth properly--like I do not know many dental school programs that offer grillz continuing education courses

mental image of a guy in a singles bar going "I got my DDS from Harvard with a concentration in grillz..."

macallan25 · #9 07-11-2006, 09:49 PM

There are many public high schools in Texas that have dress codes that include not wearing hats, short shorts, ripped up jeans (excessively), no hoodies, no flip flops....so I don't think its that big of a deal. I think its great that officials don't want their institutions to look like a thuggish rap video.

CutiePie2000 · #10 07-28-2006, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

The issue with grillz may not only be one of "distraction" between children and developing a sense of mediocrity and needless, excessive indulgence.

The issue may be that youth are still physically developing from hormones to psyche. Most of the time, the grillz are not made by altruistic board certified general dentists, oral surgeons, orthodontists or even dental hygenists. They are probably purchased from a dealer at a unsanitary location with poor precious metallurgy that probably contains toxic levels of lead...

And amounts of lead exposure can cause chronic health problems later in life. And if children are inserting these items in their mouths when they are still underdeveloped, then who will be addressing the lead posioning that ensues? You and I the taxpayer...

Moreover, since these appliances are not made to "fit" the mouth properly--like I do not know many dental school programs that offer grillz continuing education courses--then that sets these kids bites completely off causing them to not properly eat their food the first step of digestion, I think call mastication.

Don't these children have enough to contend with in life than worrying about dentures at age 25-30? Along with poor dental hygiene which has been shown to be a root cause to a lot of disease outcomes, such as heart disease, obesity, maladsorption, colon cancer, sleep apnea and stroke?

As a taxpayer, I am not interested in paying for a 25 year old who made poor choices in life... But that is just me...

Best post of the whole thread.....

macallan25 · #11 07-28-2006, 02:01 AM

....I don't think it has to do with medical issues. I think school boards don't want their institutions looking like a Lil John thuggish rap video. And whether you think it does or not....having that useless shit in your mouth causes a distraction.

AKA_Monet · #12 07-28-2006, 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by macallan25

....I don't think it has to do with medical issues. I think school boards don't want their institutions looking like a Lil John thuggish rap video. And whether you think it does or not....having that useless shit in your mouth causes a distraction.

But I think it actually does. School districts do have to maintain some level of student health, hygiene and sanitation.

I can tell you the oral hygiene of these kinds of items is butt nasty.

And yeah, right, like these kids really have an ultra-sonicator bath with dental cleaning solutions for properly sanitation...

What happens when these items tarnish? Do they really have the "prophy angle" (that "suction cup" thingy that goes around in circles when the dentist cleans your teeth) to buff up the metal? Or do they use metal cleaner with a rag for their grillz?

I personally have seen gold-alloy based inlays. They were on molars of a patient my father was treating and built like a "Maryland bridge" format for the teeth. The item had to be cemented and adjusted to the mandibular-maxifacial biteline.

Moreover, dentists use to make their alloys with gold. The gold as a metal has lead in it and is expensive. Also, gold is a soft metal that does not hold its shape, even in alloy based amalgams (fillings).

Now, most amalgams are done with either an alloy, which contains some silver or plastic composites, which actually last longer, hold their shapes, more durable, has a healthier safety record and efficacy.

No board certified dentist would waste his or her time on making grillz. Besides the malpractice alone would be too cost prohibitive.

So if dentists are making grillz, they I would really check their licensing and report them. They would definitely not be a part of any legitimate dental society, like the American Dental Association or National Dental Association... And if they are, then they are lusers who cannot do legit dentristry and aren't interested in better oral health...

KSig RC · #13 07-11-2006, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by shinerbock

True, modesty is a horrible thing. God forbid.

Don't be a dick, dude - I'm not 'anti-modesty', but who gets to decide on what is 'modest'?

It's a weird line to walk, allowing others the ability to choose for you. You took the LSAT, though - you should get what I mean.

shinerbock · #14 07-11-2006, 09:59 PM

Yeah I guess, but thankfully they're still kids, so I think its fine to impose a little modesty. God knows they tried when I was in school. After they leave the school, they can do whatever they want.

tunatartare · #15 07-11-2006, 10:05 PM

My sophomore year of college I had a history professor who came to us from Morehouse. He had a dress code for his class. (Any Morehouse men on here probably know who I'm talking about, he was known for this.) No jeans, no sneakers, no flip flops, no sweats, no t shirts. Guys had to wear khakis or slacks with button down shirts, ties, and/or sweaters, and girls had to wear skirts or slacks with nice tops or sweaters. Even if your class was at 8am. His reasoning for this was that one day in Atlanta him and his wife were walking past a club that had a dress code posted outside of it. He thought that if places were you went to get drunk and hang out with your friends had to have dress codes, then he should have one for his class were you come to learn. In theory, it sounded like a good idea. Except that we're a very laid-back school where it's perfectly acceptable to show up to your night class in pajamas. There were a lot of complaints about this and I think he got in trouble for it because he no longer requires it.