School Daze question.

[Xidelt]

You said I didn't refute the post about the groups being thuggish. I believe I did. I simply don't believe you have enough info on these groups to classify them. You yourself said you don't know anything about their history and don't care to know anything about them. I still wonder why you choose to keep posting on these issues in this thread. You have not addressed the points I have posed. I also wonder why you would form an opinion and then argue it based on very limited observations. Obviously you haven't had any meaningful interactions with the NPHC groups. You haven't attended any of their functions or don't have any friends in their groups. You are basing it on what you've seen and what you've heard from other people.

Also, I haven't stated any of my personal opinions about politics, affirmative action, diversity, rights of private groups, etc. You are reading into my posts and forming what you think are my opinions. I have also never made any statements on your politics, nor have I called you a redneck racist. Those are your own words. I have made no statements about your political views.

[shinerbock]

What questions have you posed? If you're interested enough to post them in line by line form I might better be able to answer them (and I happily will). You haven't refuted my point about them being "thuggish" because I never said they were. I said to some I'm sure they appear as such, and gave credit to the notion that probably is not an accurate portrayal of everything they do. Regarding why I keep posting, you're correct, it isn't out of interest into NPHC groups. Rather, it is in response to those who consider viewpoints like mine racist or backwards. Now, if I have wrongly projected some of what others have directed towards me as something you said, I apologize. However, I think you have referred to me several times as ignorant and I believe the term racist has come up. You are correct in that I don't know everything about NPHC groups, but I never claimed to. I never made a full judgement on them, other than to say they seem very different than the greek community I was in. Alright, as I said, if you really want answers to questions, post them and I will gladly answer.

[bows&toes]

I made the comment earlier about most black fraternities that I have seen being more like a street gang then a traditional fraternity and that is due to personal experience on my campus, and other campuses my friends attend. I can bring up many different examples, such as a girl in my ex-gf house @ Oklahoma State which got shot because black fraternity members werent allowed at their private function. A guy pulled out a pistol and started shooting through the door of the party. I can recall numerous such instances at OSU, my school, and others. I'm not saying this has never happened @ an IFC chapter, but it doesn't seem nearly as frequent.

I also see much of the hip-hop culture that black fraternities try so often to emulate as contributing to the "thuggish/gangster" image and not something any respected IFC fraternity, especially in the south would tolerate. In my opinion there is nothing respectable about emulating criminals in a higher learning institution and then calling yourself a fraternity which is supposed to be the cream of the crop of any given campus. Don't get me wrong, I like hip-hop at parties as dancing music and all, but there is a difference between listening to music and trying to live it.

I feel like these are a few of the many factors that give your organizations the image of being thuggish. I will repeat what I said earlier, i'm basing all this on my personal experience and I realize that not all black chapters fall into this category. This is my OPINION, and an honest one at that, I will not beat around the bush and be PC about it so i'm sorry if I hurt anybodys feelings.

[bows&toes]

Originally Posted by Xidelt

You are basing it on what you've seen and what you've heard from other people.

Correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't most opinions based on what you and your friends see and hear??