Oprah "under attack" about hip hop

black_princess · #1 06-16-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by teena

I dont understand why are 'Cube and Luda itching to get on the Oprah show.

They need to get one of their own in house talents, support them getting a show, be a guest on the show once a week.

I really want those rappers to find something else to do with their time. Read a book, go to the zoo, visit the sick and shut in, just do something useful, just my opinion.

Were you reading my mind?????

My sentiments exactly . . .

firecracker08 · #2 06-16-2006, 08:07 AM

I think the issue is that both Ludacris and Ice Cube are actors for various films. When Oprah invited the cast of Crash, it would have been polite to invite Ludacris. Not to perform but as a member of the film cast. Does Oprah have to have them on the show? No... But if she invites the entire cast of the film, except one or even the perception of that action is where the trouble begins. No one wants to be overlooked. Regardless, I'm not an Oprah fan so whether they were on or not, I would have never known

PerfectVerse06 · #3 06-16-2006, 09:41 AM

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought Ludacris was mad at Oprah because when he was on the show with the rest of the cast from 'Crash', she took that time as an opportunity to talk about how much she didn't like his music because of the derogatory statements, cursing, etc. that is found within the lyrics. He felt as though he were there as Chris Bridges, not as Ludacris, and they were all supposed to be discussing the film and not his music.

Now, I agree with all of you who said that this is Oprah's show and she can do whatever she wants to do on it. Ludacris and everyone else are essentially being invited to HER house, and when you're in Oprah's house you've gotta follow her rules. If she wants you to take your shoes off and leave them at the front door, pray that you don't have any holes in your socks or funkdafied toe jam, respect her place and just do it! I'm sure all her guests are privy to the rules and regulations that come with being on not just Oprah's show, but any television show.

FeeFee · #4 06-16-2006, 10:16 AM

I'm sorry, but the only one that I can kinda feel for is Ice Cube. He has 14 years of acting, producing, and directing experience under his belt. Imma need Luda and 50 Cent to be cast in a lot more movies before they can beef @ Oprah.

As everyone has said, she has no obligations when it comes to inviting folks on her show.

PerfectVerse06 · #5 06-16-2006, 10:55 AM

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Originally Posted by FeeFee

I'm sorry, but the only one that I can kinda feel for is Ice Cube. He has 14 years of acting, producing, and directing experience under his belt.

I agree!

AKA2D '91 · #6 06-16-2006, 01:44 PM

Just by looking at the title of the thread, Oprah could "buy" hip-hop! LOL

Suggestion: How about Sean Carter, Chris Bridges, or O'shea Jackson come up with a talk show of their own?

If you've been very derogatory towards females in your rap, why should a woman embrace you with open arms? Ummmmmmm, maybe it's because your stage names are just characters and you are really nothing like your character at all. Maybe, you should be who you IS!

Marie · #7 06-19-2006, 03:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FeeFee

I'm sorry, but the only one that I can kinda feel for is Ice Cube. He has 14 years of acting, producing, and directing experience under his belt. Imma need Luda and 50 Cent to be cast in a lot more movies before they can beef @ Oprah.

As everyone has said, she has no obligations when it comes to inviting folks on her show.

Right! Plus, Luda wasn't even that big of a character. I mean he was important, but there were other important characters (I believe Thandie Newton and Loretta Devine) that were not on the show that day. Luda is just feeling more important than he really is, and is mad that no one else feels the same way.

As for her having rappers on...its her show...she can do whatever she wants with it. Oprah has been working on and developing her show for 20 years. She goes through phases and has different themes/goals that she wants to get across each year. If understanding hip hop, social responsibility, rap and its impact on the AA community is not one of those themes, then there is no reason that she should be ridiculed for that. Maybe shes just plain thinking about the outcome of a show like that. I realize that lots of young white kids are listening to rap, but are there parents really going to understand hip hop culture any better or think any better of Blacks by watching a bunch of rappers explain why using bitch, nigger, half-naked women, etc is alright?

Anticipatience · #8 06-19-2006, 03:59 PM

I was asked, "Anticipatience, what perceptions are going to be cleared up by Oprah having foul-mouthed, women-denigrating rappers on her show?"

If Oprah can have a white racist man from the deep south screaming the "n-word" all over her show and then have him back to say why he no longer uses it, she can stand to have a couple of rappers on. By the way, I highly doubt that they would disrespect her show with profanity. They might defend their use of it (and maybe illuminate their reasons for degrading women the way they do as well) but I doubt they would use it. Also, despite how they sound in songs and during some interviews, most mainstream rappers are highly articulate and can express themselves very well (50 Cent and Jay-Z, especially). I wouldn't put them all in the same category...

Anticipatience · #9 06-19-2006, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Marie

I realize that lots of young white kids are listening to rap, but are there parents really going to understand hip hop culture any better or think any better of Blacks by watching a bunch of rappers explain why using bitch, nigger, half-naked women, etc is alright?

I don't think white parents need to understand that these things are "alright" but ENTERTAINMENT and that's it...

laylo · #10 06-19-2006, 04:42 PM

^The same could have been said about minstrel shows. Or Birth of a Nation. The words and images put out there over and over and over again are never just entertainment. And I don't see how defending their use would change the image of Black people. On the show we're talking about, Ludacris did not say "I talk about women that way just for entertainment", he said "I talk about women that way because that's how they act." All that did was reinforce the minsconception.