A Difference between USA and Mexico

[Tom Earp]

interesting....................

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US Citizen Working in Mexico



The following is from a director with SW BELL in Mexico City.



I spent five years working in Mexico.



I worked under a tourist visa for three months and could legally renew
it for three more months. After that you were working illegally. I was
technically illegal for three weeks waiting on the FM3 approval.



During that six months our Mexican and US Attorneys were working to
secure a permanent work visa called a FM3. It was in addition to my US
passport that I had to show each time I entered and left the country.
Barbara's was the same except hers did not permit her to work.



To apply for the FM3 I needed to submit the following notarized
originals (not copies) of my:



1. Birth certificates for Barbara and me.
2. Marriage certificate.
3. High school transcripts and proof of graduation.
4. College transcripts for every college I attended and proof of graduation.
5. Two letters of recommendation from supervisors I had worked for at
least one year.
6. A letter from The ST. Louis Chief of Police indicating I had no
arrest record in the US and no outstanding warrants and was
"a citizen in good standing."
7. Finally; I had to write a letter about myself that clearly stated why
there was no Mexican citizen with my skills and why my skills were
important to Mexico. We called it our "I am the greatest person on
earth" letter. It was fun to write.



All of the above were in English that had to be translated into Spanish
and be certified as legal translations and our signatures notarized. It
produced a folder about 1.5 inches thick with English on the left side
and Spanish on the right.



Once they were completed Barbara and I spent about five hours
accompanied by a Mexican attorney touring Mexican government
office locations and being photographed and fingerprinted at least
three times. At each location (and we remember at least four
locations) we were instructed on Mexican tax, labor, housing, and
criminal law and that we were required to obey their laws or face
the consequences. We could not protest any of the government's
actions or we would be committing a felony. We paid out four
thousand dollars in fees and bribes to complete the process. When
this was done we could legally bring in our household goods that
were held by US customs in Loredo Texas. This meant we rented
furniture in Mexico while awaiting our goods. There were extensive
fees involved here that the company paid.



We could not buy a home and were required to rent at very high rates and
under contract and compliance with Mexican law.



We were required to get a Mexican drivers license. This was an amazing
process. The company arranged for the licensing agency to come to our
headquarters location with their photography and finger print equipment
and the laminating machine. We showed our US license, were photographed
and fingerprinted again and issued the license instantly after paying
out a six dollar fee. We did not take a written or driving test and never
received instructions on the rules of the road. Our only instruction was
never give a policeman your license if stopped and asked. We were
instructed to hold it against the inside window away from his grasp. If
he got his hands on it you would have to pay ransom to get it back.



We then had to pay and file Mexican income tax annually using the number
of our FM3 as our ID number. The companies Mexican accountants did this
for us and we just signed what they prepared. I was about twenty legal
size pages annually.



The FM 3 was good for three years and renewable for two more after
paying more fees.



Leaving the country meant turning in the FM# and certifying we were
leaving no debts behind and no outstanding legal affairs (warrants,
tickets or liens) before our household goods were released to customs.



It was a real adventure and If any of our senators or congressmen went
through it once they would have a different attitude toward Mexico.



The Mexican Government uses its vast military and police forces to
keep its citizens intimidated and compliant. They never protest at their
White House or government offices but do protest daily in front of the
United States Embassy. The US embassy looks like a strongly
reinforced fortress and during most protests the Mexican Military
surround the block with their men standing shoulder to shoulder in
full riot gear to protect the Embassy. These protests are never
shown on US or Mexican TV. There is a large public park across
the street where they do their protesting.
Anything can cause a protest such as proposed law changes in
California or Texas.



Please feel free to share this with everyone who thinks we are being
hard on illegal immigrants.

[PiKA2001]

Blah Blah Blah, Mexico sucks ass, tell us something we don't know.

[squirrely girl]

how is this "different" from the US?

we (and many other countries) have just as long and complicated and certainly more expensive of a process to*legally* immigrate or work here

i don't see a difference other than i get the impression that for some people, the thought of this process is overwhelming, completely out of their means, or just not worth the effort even if they get caught being here illegally...

- marissa

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by squirrely girl
how is this "different" from the US?

we (and many other countries) have just as long and complicated and certainly more expensive of a process to*legally* immigrate or work here

i don't see a difference other than i get the impression that for some people, the thought of this process is overwhelming, completely out of their means, or just not worth the effort even if they get caught being here illegally...

- marissa

Key Word-Legaly Immagrante!

In Mexico, No Non Mexican can hold Title to real Property.

In THe USA, it seems that Illegals can get D L's. Have The Kids get payed Schools, get Medical, ETC.

Check Ca. State Laws!

We are The Land Of The Free and The Brave Who Take In Huddle Masses, but, do it Legaly!

Or as The President of Mexico, Fox, said, You have to have Us as We do work the Blacks and Whites wont do!

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by Tom Earp
Or as The President of Mexico, Fox, said, You have to have Us as We do work the Blacks and Whites wont do!

Are you disagreeing with this?

[Rudey]

Originally posted by valkyrie
Are you disagreeing with this?

Are you agreeing that Mexicans do the work that whites and blacks won't do?

And speaking of Mexicans, I had to get my coworker to write another note in spanish to make sure the cleaning lady doesn't move anything on my desk.

-Rudey
--I think I'm going to drink some XX tonight

[squirrely girl]

Originally posted by Rudey


And speaking of Mexicans, I had to get my coworker to write another note in spanish to make sure the cleaning lady doesn't move anything on my desk.

not being sarcastic or funny here - totally serious -

so is your issue illegal immigrants or ANY immigrant who doesn't learn english?

- marissa

[Betarulz!]

Snopes.com is in the process of researching the validity of this.

I know I'm going to get ripped for saying this: Personally I don't see the uproar...it's been going on for years, building a fence seems preposterous, I don't necessarily think that when the final cost/benefit analysis is done that it will prove in the average citizen's best interest, yada yada yada.

I will say this, I am by no means a supporter of our President, but his initial idea on this matter made by far the most sense. Rather than let them work illegally forever, he was at least trying to get them on to the payrolls and part of the tax pool eventually.

[Tom Earp]

G W B wants to put National Guard Troops on the border and Gov. Arnold says no, that is taking away from the states rights.

I have to agree With Arnold on this point.

Point counter point.

[Rudey]

Originally posted by squirrely girl
not being sarcastic or funny here - totally serious -

so is your issue illegal immigrants or ANY immigrant who doesn't learn english?

- marissa

Both are issues - neither funny nor sarcastic.

-Rudey

[Rudey]

Originally posted by Betarulz!
Snopes.com is in the process of researching the validity of this.

I know I'm going to get ripped for saying this: Personally I don't see the uproar...it's been going on for years, building a fence seems preposterous, I don't necessarily think that when the final cost/benefit analysis is done that it will prove in the average citizen's best interest, yada yada yada.

I will say this, I am by no means a supporter of our President, but his initial idea on this matter made by far the most sense. Rather than let them work illegally forever, he was at least trying to get them on to the payrolls and part of the tax pool eventually.

Yeah, cash businesses really factor into tax pools.

-Rudey

[Tom Earp]

If most remember, there is a place called Ellis Island that many came through as Immagrents and were placed in The USA as Legaly placed here.

That is the difference.

I dont think that Mexicans are being turned down per se, but the rush for the border is different.

Come in legaly or be sent back!