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Originally posted by enigma_AKA
So, if you're a non-believer or one that just doesn't believe in say--Jesus being the Messiah or baptism being a neccessary part of salvation--then you automatically go against the tenets and ideas of the organization? That you don't believe in murder; that you don't believe in 'the golden rule'; that you don't believe in *most of* the Ten Commandments (the moral codes, basically)?
I'm probably asking this to a troll, but athiests still have moral and ethical values; Muslims and Jews, B'hai believers, Buddhists and Hindus have moral and ethical standards as well, but because they aren't Christian they go against the tenets and ideas of the org? That they violate their own belief system? What are these tenets and ideas of the org?
enigma_AKA
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I'm probably asking this to a troll
I am not familiar with the term troll so I will kindly ask you to explain what that means. Furthermore, who said people of other faiths did not have values? I certainly didn't. My point is this... if an organization claims to be founded upon Christian principles, then why would someone who doesn't believe in Christ want to be a part of that. Now that is different from an organization that says we have certain values and principles but does not claim they stem from a particular religion. For instance, if I was to join an org founded on Islamic beliefs and I had to do things that could be even contruded as worshipping Allah (cause clearly my Bible says to shun the appearance of sin), I would not do it. Why? Because I do not serve Allah. That's not to demean anyone, it's just that's not who I serve. Now before you go off about "worshipping" not being a requirement. I have several friends who are Greek and trust if they weren't already in a church, they were by the end of the process. Some even had mandatory Bible studies and such while online.
Now, as far as other people's values. Jewish values and Christian values (as pertaining to the Old Testament, since you brought up the 10 commandments) are very similiar. Buddhist traditions often discuss and encourage peace and unity. This is also seen in Christianity. The question was about someone who is an atheist joining an org with a Christian foundation/values/principles, etc. Even though they have not made it through the process, just the fact that the org chooses to acknowledge and proclaim that means that at some point Jesus will be brought up. If you don't believe their is a God, then you clearly do not believe He had a Son... so again I ask why would you put yourself in that situation and for the org why even bring up Christian principles in the first place if that's not what you want to be known for?
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