Pope Joan?

[Rudey]

You are beyond ignorant so I will break it down for you:

1) Beryana says “Very few” people were killed during the inquisition. At this point, the victims’ suffering is made to look small.

2) Rudey asks Beryana to define “Very few”

3) Beryana is unable to define it because she does not know and does a copy-and-paste job from a website that doesn’t answer it. Additionally this website offers its slant and bias (Catholic.com). The website does acknowledge the church is human and makes mistakes so perhaps the info provided by Beryana is a mistake by the author and Beryana herself. Additionally she constantly deflects attention off herself by saying she does not know Canon law.

4) Rudey provides actual estimates showing the low end (sponsored by the Church) of massacres to be several thousand. This number does not include those killed by secular friends of the church or those that died awaiting trial – it surely doesn’t include those that were tortured (one method being a hot metal cone peeling the flesh off their bodies). Scholars estimate that several hundred thousand were killed as a result of the inquisitions (see the many, many other sources). If this minimal number is “Very few” and the church really has done nothing, then they can provide the names of that many Catholics (including the Pope, Cardinals, Bishops, and a priest or two). Beryana refuses to address the point and says there aren’t that many Cardinals. Surely if the numbers that died were "Very few" then any tragedy afterwards such as 9/11 is really insignificant to Beryana. Several hundred thousand dying is not much, several hundred thousand dying in a population that is proportional much smaller again is "Very few". Even if several thousand died, again to Beryana this is insignificant.

5) Beryana calls anyone that proves her wrong to be anti-Catholic. At this point, she says that Catholics have suffered as well. Perhaps this is an indication that “Very few” dying was really not so, and there was massive suffering. Why else would she say Catholics suffered? In the same vein, Beryana says Catholics suffered under Hitler. The comparison of 6 million Jews being systematically slaughtered like barn animals to anything is ridiculous, but Beryana is ignorant to this. Additionally, Beryana made a mistake in bringing up the Church during the Holocaust given conclusions reached about the Pope at that time not doing enough to save Jews while ordering that Jewish children being hidden by Catholics not to be returned to their parents, as well as Catholics urging the pope to stop immigration of Jews to South America.

6) Beryana now indicates that in those times it was OK to kill people of other religions. Does this disagree with the fact that “Very few” suffered? She also says the Pope apologized for these acts. Again, does this disagree with the fact that “Very few” died? How can Beryana somehow provide excuses and justifications for murder while still distancing the Church from it by saying the Pope apologized? She can’t. It defies logic.

7) Beryana now says that Rudey has his panties in a bunch because he has chosen to not forget. Of course Rudey responded to Beryana’s pure lies, so perhaps Beryana has her panties in a bunch. Maybe. And according to Beryana, having your panties in a bunch indicates you are anti-Catholic; hence, Beryana is now anti-Catholic by her own logic.

8) Beryana is unable to respond. She again avoids the topic and asks Rudey irrelevant questions. She claims Rudey only provides one source. Rudey has provided many – none from the biased Catholic.com. Beryana has proven without a doubt her ignorance is immeasurable as Rudey has to detail it in outlined format for her. Beryana is sad.

-Rudey
--Beryana is proven ignorant and having spread lies which she is unable to back up since she is not expert in canon law and unable to provide numbers defining "Very few"

Originally posted by Beryana
You do realize that this is actually getting rather funny (and I still would like an answer to my questions asked of you).

Here are some more questions - and I would really like answers to: Do you know the difference between Fundamentalist and fundamentalist (it's like the difference between Tradition and tradition, Catholic and catholic, Church and church, etc)? Please also explain who a Fundamentalist is - not what you think that I think it means but who a Fundamentalist actually is.

I find it rather amusing that you do not know anything about me (my background, upbringing, education, etc) other than I am a Catholic and yet you label me ignorant and a bigot. Along those lines, you are a hypocrit. You spout off numbers from one source and proclaim that to be the be-all-end-all on the subject (I have given you FOUR sources of further information - and I will GLADLY find you more). At the same time you flatly refuse to acknowledge there is other information out there - and actually belittle the source of that information as well as the presenter.

Very amusing! Rudey, you are definitely a source of entertainment!