Texas Voters approve gay marriage "ban"

[KSig RC]

Originally posted by Lindz928
I think it has just opened up an interesting discussion on the separation of church and state and how people feel about the whole thing.

While the discussion may be 'interesting' in this way, my point was that it's also completely irrelevant at the current time - and it's not clear that the conversation will ever become fully relevant. Ever.

[Lindz928]

Originally posted by KSig RC
While the discussion may be 'interesting' in this way, my point was that it's also completely irrelevant at the current time - and it's not clear that the conversation will ever become fully relevant. Ever.

I still don't understand what you are arguing... Are you just wanting us not to have any conversation that is not about the law in this thread?

[lifesaver]

Originally posted by KSig RC
due to the fact that a popular vote carried the measure by a wide margin.

But the margin of win does not necessarily reflect the views of all Texans. (But in our system, this is how ammendments are added to the constitution). The measure passed by such a wide margin because Gov. Perry struck a deal (that has been well reported here) that got the super conservative religious leagers to get their parishoners, etc, out to vote and campaign and he'd publically back it, in exchange for their support of him in his tough primary challenge this march from Carol Keeton Landrover (or whatever her name is). Christian Conservatives got out the vote. They won. When Texans as a whole are polled, its a little closer.... depending on who is doing the polling. I've seen numbers between 60-40 and 55-45 in favor of the Proposition. Not a change in the outcome, but it shows that its not as one sided as it seems.

[AGDee]

I think it's a relevant discussion nationwide. It's interesting to hear other people's views on it. It may come up in the Supreme Court. It may end up being a Constitutional Amendment. It's also an interesting chronicle to look back on. In 40 years, the views may have totally changed.

[sigmadiva]

Originally posted by lifesaver
But the margin of win does not necessarily reflect the views of all Texans. (But in our system, this is how ammendments are added to the constitution). The measure passed by such a wide margin because Gov. Perry struck a deal (that has been well reported here) that got the super conservative religious leagers to get their parishoners, etc, out to vote and campaign and he'd publically back it, in exchange for their support of him in his tough primary challenge this march from Carol Keeton Landrover (or whatever her name is). Christian Conservatives got out the vote. They won. When Texans as a whole are polled, its a little closer.... depending on who is doing the polling. I've seen numbers between 60-40 and 55-45 in favor of the Proposition. Not a change in the outcome, but it shows that its not as one sided as it seems.

I think her name is Carol Keeton Strayhorn now (it used to be Rylander).

The margin of win reflects the views of Texans who voted. It was no great secret that Prop 2 would be on the ballot. There were protests and demonstrations on both sides before the election and news outlets broadcasted the issue, and I know in the Houston Chronicle they always run a sample ballot the Sunday before the election, so people were atleast aware. Now whether they decided to vote or not is another issue.

Texas is still a relatively conservative state. There are pockets of liberal areas (Austin, parts of Houston and Dallas). And, you have to understand the population of Texas. It's not just White conservatives who vote, there are other ethnicites (?sp) who have and maintain 'traditional' values such as many Blacks (typically in rural areas), Hispanics, Asians, Africans and East Indians. Many of the people I've met from foreign countries are shocked at the way American heterosexual couples meet and marry, let alone gay couples.

I too agree that the issue should continue to be discussed.

[AXEAM]

I wonder why this whole (Pro) gay marriage push is coming mostly from the western world....it's rather disturbing. I have friends from Africa, the Carribean as well as the Gulf nations and they always ask me when unnatural behavior become cool?

[Lindz928]

Originally posted by AXEAM
I wonder why this whole (Pro) gay marriage push is coming mostly from the western world....it's rather disturbing. I have friends from Africa, the Carribean as well as the Gulf nations and they always ask me when unnatural behavior become cool?

I don't think it's about it becoming "cool" at all. I think it's just becoming the trend to be "pc" and accepting of all types of people.

And there are some who would argue that it's not unnatural behavior. I will stay away from that argument because I know nothing about that.

My opinion isn't about being "cool" or trendy. My opinion is just about me not giving a shit if 2 men (or 2 women) want to get married. It doesn't affect me, my life, or my religious beliefs. They aren't telling me what to do in that respect, so why should I presume to have the right to do that to someone else?