I have this
tremendous urge to reply to the previous few posts... yet I don't know
where to even begin... so if this seems to wander around and/or gets excessively long, I apologize in advance.
Starting with the whole
Frat vs. Navy SEALS
PLEASE...Mikki's right. Your frat is nothing like the SEALS. Unless you really are planning on invading Iran. Or Canada. Or something. Personally, I would guess that there is some hazing that is uncalled for in
all branches of the military. And I
don't think it's O.K. However, I can only imagine that war really is hell, and those men and women who are unfortunate enough to go through it (war)will have to handle a lot more than most of us ever will. So I can see where some of those exercises that borderline on hazing are valuable (Mikke gave some good examples). What on
earth is your frat involved in that requires you to be able to handle taking wood or other beatings, or whatever else you brag about? I will say this: I'm not, nor was I ever, in the military. I have a few relatives that were/are, but my knowledge IS limited in this area.
Next... I think it's important to have pride in your GLO. I even think you, Charle, should be proud (although we apparently differ on
why you should be proud). We all chose to earn our letters because of what they represent to us. It was something we value + want to be a part of. Which brings me to.. why
haven't you told us the name of your GLO? I can tell you mine:
Phi Beta Fraternity: a national professional association for the creative and performing arts. And I'll bet just about everyone else on this board will tell you theirs. It's got to be 1 of 3 things, as far as I can tell:
- you're not actually in a GLO
- you know that if any members (actives or alumni) see you bragging about how you haze and got hazed they are going to do more than kick your a**
- your frat doesn't do anything of real value to the community, and someone who knows it will see your posts and tell it like it is
Speaking of
value to the community.. even if you
won't tell us the name of your frat, you could at least tell us
something it does. To my knowledge, all nationals have at least 1 major philanthropy they support. And all of the chapters (even 'social') that I can think of do a lot of other stuff. And they
have to worry about their grades while they're doing it, because if they don't, they can't remain active.
Now, it seems in the last few posts we have all gotten a little
upset and maybe frustrated. Even Mikki
But I agree with her.. it takes a
lot to be a part of my organization. And it all comes down to
Quote:
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"How bad do you want it?"
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Thankfully for myself, Mikki (from what I can tell) and many others here, our chapters respect what Greek life is
really all about, starting with the Flat Hat Society when GLO's came into existence as literary (+ eventually other academic) societies. And when our bigs, etc. were "testing" us to see how bad we wanted it, they went about it in a mature, productive, and successful way. (And that was
not by hazing). How many of
your (Charle) alumni are involved day-by-day, or maybe week-by-week, or even month-by-month, in your GLO? Now, how many of mine are? Why are they?
Getting off the soap box in just a minute, but first:
Did you ask Mikki if she had a bake sale?! What does that have to do with anything?! And maybe they
did and the $ went to help some underprivelaged kids or the homeless or to fight disease! How is that something to make fun of? Every year my chapter participates in "daffodil days".. it's in conjuction with the American Cancer Society and all the $ goes to help w/ cancer research. So do you want to make fun of me for selling daffodils? Or the
men in my fraternity who sell them? Trust me, I won't be offended.
Now i really am stepping down off the soap box
..
Charle- if you can justify to me hazing, i will leave it alone. (I won't agree, but I won't fight with you about it, either. Unless you really tick me off
)I mean like Mikki did with the SEALS.. for example:
"We got paddled to teach us this..."
And to be honest... I can't figure out
how you can finish that sentence without sounding like a moron. And you can't say "to build brotherhood"--that's a total copout, and we all know it is.
Ok, I think that's everything i wanted to say
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SilverTurtle@greekchat.com
Phi Beta Fraternity
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