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Originally posted by Happydaysf91
Well, personally...I wouldn't want to see the undergrads go away...however, there is much liability involved if we keep them around and cannot figure out a way to curb liability.
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Understanding what there is GREAT liability involved, we need to start figuring in a proactive sense what we're going to to keep our organizations in theire current format THEN if that doesn't work, start gradually cutting our losses a few chapters at a time. There's not need to punish all collegiate chapters for the misdeeds of a few members/chapters.
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Originally posted by Happydaysf91
Furthermore, like others have stated, this will not eradicate 'hazing' all together. We have seen where hazing occurs on the graduate level as well.....
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How true that is!
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Originally posted by Happydaysf91
And as far as grad chapters/members and grad advisors.....you have to understand...they have lives too outside the organization. I used to be a grad advisor. And a good one! But the chapter I was over still was involved in hazing. I went to step shows, was at the fundraisers, community service activities, parties and etc. It's like raising children....you teach them to be good, outstanding citizens and tell them right from wrong and you send them into the world each day hoping and praying that they will make good, sound decisions. You can't watch them 24/7. Well, its the same with an undergrad chapter. You crossed the girls...have meetings, tell them not to haze and the consequences of such and etc. and you go home and hope and pray they will follow your organizations rules (rules they 'pledged' to abide by). However, like with your own kids, some are going to follow the rules and some are not. You cannot watch them 24/7.
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Yes, grad members have lives outside of the organization. And yes, it's hard for ONE person, heck even two people to advise a chapter. But no one said it had to be just one or two people advising. Share the work with an advisory team & lighten the load.
I dunno, I've been reading various comments in various places and it seems like we're giving up. I personally do not feel that we've done anything SIGNIFICANT to lessen coprorate liability or to effectively revise current processes. Yes, posting disciplinary report are a start, but we need to do more. Changing mentality is a huge part of it. True, 'grad v undergrad" is not SUPPOSED to be apart of it, but it is. I keep hearing/reading "get rid of the undergrads" as if it's a cure all...well it's not.
Alumnae chapters are not in the "business" of generating new members. By calling for undergraduate chapters to be eliminated that would require a MAJOR overhaul of how we operate & function. IMO, it would be easier to resolve the "smaller" problem of limiting liability & discouraging hazing that it would to reorganize.
It doesn't make any sense to me that we can invest time to help those outside our organizations, but we don't/won't/can't invest that same time to save our own orgs. But again, that's just my opinion.
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