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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet
What you just stated are the OLAW rules... But folks in research, with exceptions, are clueless and to be honest just don't care...
Lately, there are stop-gaps in place: I.e. having approval to do animal experiments shown to the publication journals or the journals retract the paper... Losing laboratory space and privilege to use animals for studies if there are violations.
My lab before this one had GROSS violations. My current lab, does not have too many violations, but the personnel's apathy about "minimizing the use and care of animals" is absent... When there are no ENFORCEABLE PUNITIVE regulations in place, then that permits a lapse in appropriate care and use of laboratory animals...
But my husband told me some of his stories and he had to do large animals, which I would have a tough time doing... And I know some vets that have to do primates, now that's tough overall.
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Kind of reminds me of OSHA rules. Companies are supposed to follow the rules or risk fines. Are all the rules followed? No. Probably just enough to keep from getting shut down. The same thing applies to OLAW. It's like you said, it just depends on how closely they're following those rules. I think it's more of just not caring. You should see how inhumane cattle are treated at some of the slaughter houses.
Maybe I should be a vegetarian. Just a thought.
Though I do think opinions vary on this subject, but technically we really don't have to dissect dead animals or vivisect living ones. I know there are other alternatives, especially with the technology available today. AKA_Monet, I really don't have a problem dissecting dead animals, it's the living ones I'm not a big fan of. Even though there are other alternatives, I don't think dissecting is really necessary because there are other non animal alternatives in which students can learn about physiology and anatomy. Of course, I don't think it's the only way, but a better way. I think it's just as good as or better than either dissection or vivisection. I'm not totally against either way, I just prefer non animal alternatives. I know that many undergraduate and graduate programs, require students to cut apart or dissect specimens that have been prepared for this purpose, or to do experiments on live animals. A lot of times students don't object to it, because they're not aware of other alternatives that are available to them.
Primates? Yeah, that would be difficult for me too. I mean, look at the proteins on the surface of human and chimpanzee cells. I think it's like, out of 9 amino acid chains, there are only something like 5 differences out of a total of over 1,200 amino acid positions. I'm not exactly sure of the exact number, but I think it's somewhere around there though.
Speaking of OLAW, how do you feel about HAPS?
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