Toast Song

[DeltaPyrite]

Just found this forum and I guess I'm going to stir up this pot that's been dead for two years. Just because there are some issues in this thread that I can't leave untouched.

Originally Posted by lurker

2. I find that adding unofficial verses (especially lewd ones) is a lot more disrespectful than simply changing a couple words.

Big fat word. I can't believe people in this thread are getting riled up about altering two or three words in the toast song to reflect the fact that we include women (and have for thirty years!), but no one aside from lurker was offended by those two crass verses naraht posted that demean our fraternity, our women, and our men. Disgusting.

Alsom going back to the words that you all sing in your chapter (since you all are female) is disrespectful to my beloved organization.

I don't see how an all-inclusive version of the song that reflects the growth of the fraternity is disrespectful to it. To the women and men who sing the gender-inclusive version of the song APO is their beloved organization. It is not just yours, it is all of ours.

I felt sick when I traveled to another section and heard them sing, "Friends of Alpha Phi Omega... " I kindly stepped back and asked what new fraternity did I enter, but I forgot some things are done quite DIFFERENTLY in other places.

I guess it's all perspective, because I felt sick when I went to Co-Sectionals and saw a group of mostly women singing the words "Men of Alpha Phi Omega." I guess I forgot some things are done quite differently in other places...

Yes change is good and is needed in any org to survive and grow but to lose history or to totally forget our proud history is bad which has happened to APO in the last 30 years.

I find it totally disgusting that you attribute the loss of our history only back to the moment women were admitted to the fraternity. Furnish some proof that there were no members who didn't know our founding date, didn't know how the shield was made, etc. until 30 years ago and then I'll start to take you seriously... until then, you seem to be just a guy who's really bitter that there are women in his fraternity, and you need to Deal. With. It.

In some ways its humorous in that people like Jesse Bridges feel that the requirement that all chapters (especially to him, the HBCUs) activate/reactivate co-ed in his mind has already pushed us to being a Frarority.

This brought up a totally logistical question that maybe someone can answer for me, just because I'm really curious.
If an initiated female member of APO transfers to a school that has a male-only chapter, would she be allowed to affiliate into that chapter? Obviously nationals allows chapters who have been male-only to remain that way for new members, but can they, under the national bylaws, deny membership to an initiated brother who has transferred to their school?