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Yea, as ive said before my frat isnt exactly greek, our school has had a frat/sorority system for like 90 years, we just never converted our societies to the greek system. But luckily for us we kinda never had to go into alot of the resitrictions that go along with being greek. By alot of your definitions we haze, but really to us it isnt. I don't really think that anything the DOC folk did was hazing, It was done relativly safely, it didnt degrade any of them, it had meaning, and it was something all of the actives,and alums had done before, therefore really by our standards it wouldnt be considered hazing at all. Oh and the pledge pin thing, LOL dont feel too bad about that, when I was pledge master we were short one too because one of my bros stole one to pin his girlfriend with, dumbass haha, its easy not to look stupid depending on how you present it.
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