Cleaning house = hazing ???

[Kevin]

So by your own admission you interpret those rules to say that we may set out some required tasks that must be performed before initiation so long as they don't violate the hazing policy.

Some of ours include the candidates administrating homecoming (or greek week), setting up at least one party, raising money for their initiation and our new member program that includes history, leadership training, etc.. They also have to get involved in at least one other campus organization.

Just so I'm not misunderstood, this is not how we currently clean our house. I am just arguing that if this is the way we operated I don't see how you could call it hazing:

I'm still failing to see where if you wrote a list of things in a room that must be done each day for example...

Sweep floors
Dust light fixtures
Dust shelves
vacuum carpets
windex windows
dust furniture

I fail to see where that is hazing. So long as the chores are reasonable. What I'm saying is... if let's say brother Billy Joe decides to eat his McDonalds food in the living room... He then starts talking to someone, leaves and forgets about it...

Billy Joe is technically still responsible for cleaning that up. The new member that had that room would only pick that mess up if he wanted to... the rest of the things on the list must be done though.

This is how we currently run our house cleaning program... Except that we all participate. I still fail to see where it would be hazing though if just candidates do it.

I've looked and there is no clause that says "if you require a new member to do something, actives have to do it also".

I make my example to show that such a program can exist according to the letter of the law. If it's administered correctly it is not hazing.