Where Are They Buried?

[docroc67]

Brothers,

I need help with some research that I am doing about famous Lambda Chis.

Late Summer, 2003, my wife and I visted Swansea, Mass., the birthplace of Warren A. Cole, to try to find his burial site. We did find what we believed to be his family burial plot- but no Warren A. Cole!

I would like to know where our Founder is buried.

I would also be interested in knowing where Jack Mason, Duke Flad, Lynn Lightner, and other important Lambda Chi figures are buried.

Any help would be greatly appreciated by me.

Thanks in advance,

Yours in ZAX,

Mike Raymond, Z-U Zeta

[GammaZeta]

There are no remains of any influential LXA buried on the Gamma Zeta property...nope...not a single one. So don't bother looking...cause you won't find any. Nope, there are no part of the remains of any LXA which headquarters doesn't know about located within the property of the former Gamma Zeta. There is absolutely nothing buried underneath the house during the additions in the 30's and 40's. There are no secrets under the house....not a single one....nothing special there....so don't bother looking.

Nope, there is no secret passed on from ritualist to ritualist, year to year, about something special and secret located on the former Gamma Zeta property.

*whistles*

[docroc67]

GammaZeta,

Do I feel my leg being pulled? What is the story behind this story?

Yours in ZAX,

Mike Raymond, Z-U Zeta

[GammaZeta]

No story behind the story...there is no story here. I, being a former Gamma Zeta ritualist, would have no knowledge of the contents, or the whereabouts, of a box which holds any items of significant and historical value to the national LXA fraternity located within the former Gamma Zeta property or has any "direct" connections to some of our founding members. Nope...nothing here. There is not a secret passed down from each Gamma Zeta ritualist (and occasionally the President when there was lack of a ritualist) that is around or older than 75 years old...nope...nothing.

*whistles*

[Tom Earp]

Brother Mike, I cannot imagine that someone such as George S wouldnt know where Duke, Jack and Lynn are interned and maybe others.

That is if you can get through to Him.

Good luck and keep us updated on your quest!!

Does bring up some interesting points though!

[john1082]

Ve Have VAYS Of Making You Talk!!

[GammaZeta]

LOL!

Every chapter has their own traditions and secrets. Gamma Zeta was the first so naturally our secrets are a little more interesting and historically relevant than a chapter founded 5 or 10 years ago.

I myself love to research secret societies, like the Skull and Bones, Masons, etc.

Gamma Zeta disbanded at 1500 members in about 75 years (estimate) so that averages to about 20 active members a year. If five members graduate every year, then to maintain the average there would be 5 new members. Skull and Bones take in 10 new members a year making Gamma Zeta more exclusive!

I am aware of many of the original practices and secrets of our fraternity that have not been performed or spoken about due to the evolution of our fraternity. I know Alpha hasn't had as consistent a history as Gamma to carry on traditions, but I'm sure Beta and some of the earlier chapters have theirs.

Our fraternity was much different before the TKN merger. Let's just say there is still alot of history and items about or founding and early years that even headquarters doesn't know about.

[JonoBN41]

Huh? 1500 members over 75 years averages to 20 NEW members per year. Five per year would add up to only 375. No?

[GammaZeta]

I never claimed to be a math genius!!!! LOL!!!!

The way I though about it was like this:

We had 1500 members initiated,

we were in operation about 75 years,

so 1500 / 75 = 20 members each year

(please don't ask me to figure out your mortgage's compound interest!!!!!)

Obviously some years we had more, some less. But if you take 20 members, 5 freshman, 5 sophmores, 5 juniors and 5 seniors, each year 5 seniors graduate, then 5 more the next year replace them.

God Damn! This is beginning to sound like the SATS!!!

Hey, any smart kids from W.P.I or M.I.T or Cal Tech on here!?!?

So exactly how would you figure out the average new membership each year needed to maintain the house average?

Ok, so I may not be able to do your taxes, but I can outline the lasting effect Puritan settlers of the 1600's had on state and federal laws throughout American history.

[Tom Earp]

Please oh Please do not be come Puritanical!!!!!!

I am not a Purist or tanical type person. I am geettting De Shakes just from reading this!

Since when did Legal Types try to be mathimatical gurus?

Oh, I forgot about Legalese Fees!

[JoinerLxa]

Hmm,

Im curious to know the burial sites of the "founders" too....but
I don't think its really "Lambda Chi" tradition to "deify" its
founders....maybe nobody mentions such locations because
we don't want them to become shrines or tourist attractions,
visited by freaks, er um, history buffs like us

Shucks, the name "Warren A Cole" didn't even appear in any
fraternity material published from 1920-1950's.

Oh, and I'm also intrigued by the comment above:
"Our fraternity was different before the union with ThKN"
made by the Gamma Zeta brother.

How so? I wouldn't think the union had much of an effect
at all on the non-ThKN chapters. Yeah, the CoA changed a
bit and they added a Pledge ceremony and changed the
pledge pin a bit....but how would that have a "massive effect"
on the type of fraternity LXA was??

Just curious.

in ZAX,
Kevin

[JonoBN41]

Originally posted by JoinerLxa

Shucks, the name "Warren A Cole" didn't even appear in any
fraternity material published from 1920-1950's.

Not to get too far afield here, but I recently got my first Expositor (1929) and Cole is very much mentioned, but not in this passage which really cracked me up.

"Probably the most far reaching effects of the fourth assembly [1914] resulted from the appointment of a member of the Fraternity as its first traveling secretary and sole official jeweler to serve for three years. According to the plan adopted by the convention, the traveling secretary was to handle all fraternity jewelry and to receive, in lieu of a salary for his services as traveling secretary, all profits on jewelry sales. In the years which followed, this plan was thoroughly tested and found to be unsatisfactory."

Hmmm...I wonder who that refers to!!!

ZAX,
Jono

[GammaZeta]

I didn't mean a "massive effect." Only that when you combine two things, naturally, the outcome is different from the two originals. When two companys join, they fire some staff, hire some new ones, change the product and probably change company policy. The outcome is different from the original. Also that the early years of LXA before the merger, as passed down to me, is quite different than the fraternity we have now.

[Tom Earp]

1929 is a far cry from what We know today! Correcto Mundo!? Jono.

SOS, You really are starting to try to talk like a Legal Fleagle!

If You are refering to The Merger of 1039, TKN/LXA, it seems to have been worked out considering thre Founding of TKN from many Locals to combine as a whole.

Granted, The History as passed down from Lore is a lot different than what is printed today.

Do not ever forget, there are Brothers on This Site Who dig and have many publications that preceede what We as Brothers see and read today.

The Oldest I have is 1929 LXA and A TKN Pledge Book. God is it fun to read the inraction between the two back then.

Looking at Old Pics and thinking to My Self how Old They Looked Then! They Looked Like Grown ups Then!

[JoinerLxa]

re: they looked like grown ups

That's because before WW2, college students "dressed up"
to go to class EVERYDAY (button shirt and tie, and usually a
coat). T-shirts and jeans hadn't been invented/adopted yet
(as outter clothing anyway). Amazing how much older/more-
mature you look "dressed up" than in sweats.

Also in those days, if you were over 16 or so, you WERE
"grown up" Average age to get married was about 20 for
guys and 15 for girls. As is true today, those who went on
for college education (the few) waited a little later.

I recently found a newspaper article about our chapter's
FIRST FRAT PARTY as a local in January 1925....the names
of all attending were listed....the names of the CHAPERONES
(sp?) were listed....Brother Kingsten, later to become
our Zeta#1, played the HARP for entertainment.....
the girls all had on white gloves and almost all had
pill-box hats....Gift items were given out (little copper
buttons with "QTC" on them, the name of our local)

That was the "roarin' 20's" for ya! A real throw down
FRAT PARTY!

And to think...they didn't even have LIABILITY INSURANCE
or a High Iota back then! A thousand wonders we survived!