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Old 11-04-2004, 04:24 PM
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This is an interesting thread. I agree with everything Rudey has said so far. I think the Republicans have a lot of answering to do. I think they realize that they need to maintain a course of moderation and answer some big gaping questions to maintain legitmacy in 2006 and beyond.

I do agree that despite whatever qualities H. Clinton or Obama might have, they will not be nominated except maybe as running mates. The Dems are too nervous right now to take big risks.

Although, strangely, a few conservative friends I know adore Hillary. Our next door neighbor back home on the farm is a very, very countrified conservative religious right-winger with questionable views about minorities and women... And for some reason this man is in love with Clinton. He calls her "Miss Hillary" and thinks she is the greatest. So who knows.

In terms of democrats and blame, I think they are going to place blame on the 3 parties mentioned, and as a democrat I disagree with these strategies:

Blaming Kerry--he's not charismatic, I know, but he tried hard and really did turn his campaign around in the last 2 months. Scapegoating him is not the answer and solves nothing.
Blaming voters--This happens and it's not right. Saying the electorate is stupid seems to me to be bringing democracy up for questioning
Blaming ourselves--there's a lot of bitterness and self-hatred going on right now. We could have organized better particularly in places like VA. So yeah. This one is valid.
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Old 11-06-2004, 12:23 PM
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I believe the civil war within the Republican Party has started already. With Specter taking the first shot. Look like it's going to be the Christian rights vs. the fiscal conservatives.

As for the democratic party, I sense there is going to be trouble before the end of the year. going to be an interesting 4 years to watch.
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Old 11-06-2004, 12:43 PM
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RC, I see that there were major gains in this election.

It's way too early to even talk about 2008--had any of us thought about John Kerry or even Howard Dean in 2000? The Cabinet shakedowns and midterm elections will give us a better idea of how things will be in 2008.
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Old 11-08-2004, 12:25 PM
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http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/08/op...rint&position=

November 8, 2004

The Great Mentioner
By WILLIAM SAFIRE

Washington — The terrorists' Ramadan offensive escalated last weekend, inviting martial law in Iraq and our counterattack to oust the occupiers of Falluja. A pitched battle where firepower is decisive is a loser for guerrilla fighters. Iraq will then proceed to elections, the U.N.'s unhelpful Kofi Annan notwithstanding.

Thus the public side of the Bush administration's internal transition - that unnamed 80 days of relief, regeneration and reaching-out between re-election and second inauguration - will be overshadowed during what we hope will be climactic fighting.

As soon as it ends, expect intense inside jockeying and outside speculation as the president begins to reshuffle his deck and recast some of his characters to keep campaign promises. Unlike Nixon after his landslide re-election, Bush will make no demand for mass resignations (luckily, I got mine in and made it out the door just before Watergate broke). Nor is a sudden exodus in store.

But that will not silence the Great Mentioner.You know how some people go through life basking in the glory of having been "mentioned for" some high post? My old colleague in Times columny, Russ Baker, conjured the oracle: the Great Mentioner. Today that crystal ball is in my court.

The first slot eagerly anticipated to be open by the glum 48 percent of voters is secretary of defense. They will be disappointed anew. Donald Rumsfeld should remain as secretary of defense at least until the backbone of the insurgency is broken, and until his reshaping of our military has taken hold under Marine General Peter Pace, to become Joint Chiefs chairman next fall. Rumsfeld's deputy, Paul Wolfowitz, is likely to become SecDef unless he is moved into the national security adviser's job.

- which is currently held by Condi Rice, a frequent mentionee for the top slot at State now filled by Colin Powell. But Colin, who knows how dreary a book tour can be, may not be as ready to bail out as most Atlanticist pragmaticists like to think.

With Middle East progress possible with the replacement of Yasir Arafat, and with the leaders of the permanent members of the Security Council eager to establish rapport with the re-empowered U.S. president, the job of secretary of state may be far less frustrating. On a competitive level: if you were Powell, would you want to surrender the Bush foreign-policy field to your bureaucratic rival, Rumsfeld?

In the terror war, a new job will be created atop the intelligence world during the lame-duck session: Czar of All Spooks, though stripped of the too-powerful budgetary control the 9/11 commission wanted. Porter Goss, the new C.I.A. chief, has not run an organization larger than a Congressional committee staff, and as management gurus say, "people who have run something are better running things than people who have not." National intelligence director? Here's mentioning the shockingly awesome retired general Tommy Franks.

With moralism redeemed, John Ashcroft can confidently return home. Representative Chris Cox of California, a savvy former White House counsel, is mentionable for attorney general, and that state could use another high-profile Republican. Another prospect is Ted Olson, former solicitor general, unless he is to be Bush's first nominee to the Supreme Court, where he was this generation's most persuasive advocate. Then there are the two Larrys: Larry Thompson, Ashcroft's former deputy, and Laurence Silberman, senior Court of Appeals judge now co-chairing an intelligence commission (unless he gets the czarship I've given General Franks).

At Treasury, John Snow will get a huge new tax reform rolling, perhaps with a bipartisan commission headed by the former senators who pulled off the amazing 1986 tax bill, Bill Bradley and Bob Packwood. In the Treasury wings are Bill Donaldson, after he averts potential disaster in the huge hedge-fund world, and Steve Friedman, now on the Bob Rubin track inside the White House (and the only Bushie capable of wrestling Rumsfeld - both were college stars).

Legacy Project No. 1 is providing Social Security for the post-boomer generation. Needed are a couple of centrist Democrats who know their stuff on this. They are Louisiana's John Breaux, just retired from the Senate, and Charles Stenholm of Texas, just ousted from the House.

And while I'm on heartland Democrats, one mention of a 2008 bumper sticker: Keep Your Eye on Evan Bayh.

-Rudey
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Old 11-08-2004, 12:47 PM
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Just don't send his sorry butt back to PA. Please, please, pretty please.
Well Sheila, if he comes back to PA, it won't be in the public sector. Recall his reasons for leaving- having to put his children through college. Which is apparently impossible on the pretty little salary he makes (while I know his salary isn't huge, it's much more than working families who send their kids to college somehow). Hmmm... perhaps he's looking back and regretting what he could've done to improve the PA higher educational system.

/PA former governor rant hijack before Rudey screams at me for going off topic in his thread
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