Nepalese burn down biggest mosque in Kathmandu

_Opi_ · #1 09-01-2004, 12:49 PM

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/3616712.stm

Appeal for calm after Nepal riots

Protesters attacked Kathmandu's Jama mosque
Nepal's prime minister has appealed for calm following violent protests in the capital against the killing of 12 Nepalese hostages in Iraq.
Sher Bahadur Deuba called for restraint in a nationwide address on state radio.

An indefinite curfew has been imposed in Kathmandu after angry mobs attacked a mosque and offices. Police say one protester has died in the violence.

Many in Nepal are blaming the government for not doing enough to secure the release of the hostages.

moe.ron · #2 09-01-2004, 01:24 PM

Nepal as a country is going down big time. It is such a shame because the country is a very buetifull country. They need to get their acts together and solve the problem with the Maoist rebels.

Kevin · #3 09-01-2004, 01:34 PM

The reaction of the people was interesting. Not so different from what happens here. I saw a picture of the executions. It was simply murder. The people/animals that did this, I hope receive quick justice.

I say hand them over to the Nepalese mob.

Rudey · #4 09-01-2004, 01:37 PM

The question is this:

Why don't Muslims do more than just issue statements condemning such acts?

That isn't something specific to Islam but it is upsetting.

-Rudey

moe.ron · #5 09-01-2004, 01:49 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
The question is this:

Why don't Muslims do more than just issue statements condemning such acts?

That isn't something specific to Islam but it is upsetting.

-Rudey

Why should a Muslim in South Africa be held responsible for what a Muslim in Iraq do? Isn't it about personal responsibility? If it's done in Iraq, why should a person who happen to hold the same religion be held responsible, eventhough he might not be even in the same continent?

Rudey · #6 09-01-2004, 02:48 PM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
Why should a Muslim in South Africa be held responsible for what a Muslim in Iraq do? Isn't it about personal responsibility? If it's done in Iraq, why should a person who happen to hold the same religion be held responsible, eventhough he might not be even in the same continent?

Why issue letters of condemnation then?

-Rudey

Kevin · #7 09-01-2004, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Why issue letters of condemnation then?

-Rudey

Would you rather they not?

If they wanted to do something about it, being a faith, not a nation, what would they do?

moe.ron · #8 09-01-2004, 03:02 PM

There is no "they" in term of a single entity. The letter of condemnation is sent out by the particular group that particular group. Other Islamic groups may not do it because it does not concern them or they just don't care, or maybe all the above.

Rudey · #9 09-01-2004, 03:11 PM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
There is no "they" in term of a single entity. The letter of condemnation is sent out by the particular group that particular group. Other Islamic groups may not do it because it does not concern them or they just don't care, or maybe all the above.

Listen why did that particular group send out a letter of condemnation?

-Rudey

Kevin · #10 09-01-2004, 04:01 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Listen why did that particular group send out a letter of condemnation?

-Rudey

Would you rather that particular group not send out a letter of condemnation?

Rudey · #11 09-01-2004, 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
Would you rather that particular group not send out a letter of condemnation?

I asked my question first.

Why did they issue those letters of condemnation - especially if this is an act by someone else that they have no connection to?

-Rudey

Kevin · #12 09-01-2004, 05:06 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
I asked my question first.

Why did they issue those letters of condemnation - especially if this is an act by someone else that they have no connection to?

-Rudey

It's difficult to determine the intent of a Muslim in Nepal.

However, I'd have to assume that it's because there are mobs burning down their mosques.

It's in their best interest PR-wise to attempt to disassociate themselves with actions that might be unfairly associated with them.

That being said, who knows whether the associations are fair or not fair? As I said before, it's difficult to determine the intent of a Muslim in Nepal.

Rudey · #13 09-01-2004, 05:50 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
It's difficult to determine the intent of a Muslim in Nepal.

However, I'd have to assume that it's because there are mobs burning down their mosques.

It's in their best interest PR-wise to attempt to disassociate themselves with actions that might be unfairly associated with them.

That being said, who knows whether the associations are fair or not fair? As I said before, it's difficult to determine the intent of a Muslim in Nepal.

The fact is that they see themselves as part of a group. That is what happens with organized religion.

In my opinion most of those letters of condemnation are for PR. Now this isn't always the case. Immediately after a bombing in Turkey of the Jewish center, Turks and their American advocacy group went to great lengths to show that the relationship with the Jewish community was strong and they refused such awful acts. That is one example of many where it's not just PR. But of course the PR is still there.

ETA: Obviously I am not the only person who thinks that these letters of condemnation are useless. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/inte...stages.html?hp There you go the French are calling Arab and Muslim leaders to help them get the release of their hostages.

-Rudey
--To some, words are cheap.

Kevin · #14 09-01-2004, 06:55 PM

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Originally posted by Rudey
The fact is that they see themselves as part of a group. That is what happens with organized religion.

In my opinion most of those letters of condemnation are for PR. Now this isn't always the case. Immediately after a bombing in Turkey of the Jewish center, Turks and their American advocacy group went to great lengths to show that the relationship with the Jewish community was strong and they refused such awful acts. That is one example of many where it's not just PR. But of course the PR is still there.

ETA: Obviously I am not the only person who thinks that these letters of condemnation are useless. http://www.nytimes.com/aponline/inte...stages.html?hp There you go the French are calling Arab and Muslim leaders to help them get the release of their hostages.

-Rudey
--To some, words are cheap.

Rudey, as usual, I agree with you for the most part.

I think we're acknowledging the same thing but going at it from different angles. You say sometimes words are useless. I say sometimes words or acts of "condemnation" are the best some Muslims think they can manage.

Is it enough? I didn't say it was. Talk is cheap, but I'd rather have the talk than silence.

moe.ron · #15 09-02-2004, 03:34 AM

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Originally posted by Rudey
Listen why did that particular group send out a letter of condemnation?

-Rudey

To put it bluntly, so what just happen won't happen. Some people will associate the act to the local Muslim population because the other group envoke the religion as the reason they did what they did. The local Nepalese mulims realized this and they put out a letter of condemnation because they knew that they were going to be blame, eventhough they had nothing to do with it.