Do you or do you not?

moe.ron · #1 05-15-2004, 09:06 AM

Do you or do you not condemn unconditionally and absolutely the Abu Gharib Prison tortures/murders/rape?

Do you or do you not condemn unconditionally and absolutely the beheading of Nick Berg?

I condemn unconditionally, absolutely, without any reservation both vile acts.

Kevin · #2 05-15-2004, 09:37 AM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
Do you or do you not condemn unconditionally and absolutely the Abu Gharib Prison tortures/murders/rape?

Do you or do you not condemn unconditionally and absolutely the beheading of Nick Berg?

I condemn unconditionally, absolutely, without any reservation both vile acts.

What the soldiers did in that prison was idiotic. I hope they get locked up for a long time.

The beheading of Mr. Berg was, however, a far worse crime (someone died).

The way the arab media has reportedly treated both events is interesting. To them, these things were just side notes, they're still more interested in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

The way some propagandists in Iraq have been successful getting their message accross in spite of people on TV hacking someone's neck off while singing "God is great" proves one thing to me -- we can never win the PR battle with some folks over there. We could give someone money, food, a safe place to live, etc.. the moment we turn our collective backs, we'd find a knife there.

moe.ron · #3 05-15-2004, 09:55 AM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
What the soldiers did in that prison was idiotic. I hope they get locked up for a long time.

The beheading of Mr. Berg was, however, a far worse crime (someone died).

The way the arab media has reportedly treated both events is interesting. To them, these things were just side notes, they're still more interested in the Palestinian-Israeli conflict.

The way some propagandists in Iraq have been successful getting their message accross in spite of people on TV hacking someone's neck off while singing "God is great" proves one thing to me -- we can never win the PR battle with some folks over there. We could give someone money, food, a safe place to live, etc.. the moment we turn our collective backs, we'd find a knife there.

Not really concerned about the Palestianin-israeli or the arab media. Just wanted to know if you condemn unconditionally and absolutely both events.

swissmiss04 · #4 05-15-2004, 10:37 AM

Yes, both.

honeychile · #5 05-15-2004, 11:27 AM

All of the above are atrocities.

sigtau305 · #6 05-15-2004, 11:48 AM

I do condem them both

justamom · #7 05-15-2004, 03:26 PM

weeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllll-It's like this-
Both were wrong, no question. But like all good Catholics believe, some of us go to Purgatory and others will go straight to Hell.

DeltAlum · #8 05-15-2004, 04:18 PM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
Do you or do you not condemn unconditionally and absolutely the Abu Gharib Prison tortures/murders/rape?

Do you or do you not condemn unconditionally and absolutely the beheading of Nick Berg?

Yes

PhiPsiRuss · #9 05-15-2004, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
I condemn unconditionally, absolutely, without any reservation both vile acts.

Ditto

Jill1228 · #10 05-15-2004, 04:47 PM

What he said! All that were involved need their asses kicked!

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Originally posted by moe.ron
I condemn unconditionally, absolutely, without any reservation both vile acts.

Tom Earp · #11 05-15-2004, 05:28 PM

While it sounds Strange, is what happened to the Iraquis any different than what has been done for over the many years?

Is it imoral, barbaric, yes! Does it give these people the right to be-head a man? MO!

So does that give the Intelligence community the permission to do it?

Very much decided here on this point? Do We want people killed for stupid things?

It is totally amazing, Saddam Killed more people because they did not beleive in him. There are still mass graves being found and is heart rentching for The Iraqui people.

Not when the Infandels do something, we are the White Ghosts of destruction.

We are as Americans who battle in cemetaries and fire on Mosques when being fired on, we are wrong!?

Well, We infandels are Wrong!

If push comes to shove kill them.

Do I beleive in retrobution, yes.

Are We Right, I do not know.

Is it right to set little sneak road bombs or have Children or women wear bombs!???

Thank god I never had to do this. I just rode in a Police Car for 7 years it was fun until the shit hit the fan!

Just explain very carefully, good people leave a city! !!!!

I will not say anymore.

Kevin · #12 05-15-2004, 09:10 PM

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Originally posted by moe.ron
Not really concerned about the Palestianin-israeli or the arab media. Just wanted to know if you condemn unconditionally and absolutely both events.

Well, in that case, no. I don't condemn what we did to Iraqi prisoners. If that is indeed what military intelligence and CIA types think needs to be done in order to extract information, fine, I'm on board.

The dumb-f***s with cameras should be locked up for a long time though. Idiots.

We're in a war. One where information saves lives. You aren't going to get that information by being all nicey-nice. The folks we capture are generally folks that want us dead. So yes, making life a little uncomfortable for them is not a big deal in my mind.

While they are being humiliated, etc., their comrades are beheading our civilians and killing our soldiers.

Once they've crossed that line, in my opinion, they've thrown away any right to fairness, prosperity, or comort that they had previously enjoyed. Screw 'em.

RACooper · #13 05-15-2004, 10:28 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
While they are being humiliated, etc., their comrades are beheading our civilians and killing our soldiers.

Once they've crossed that line, in my opinion, they've thrown away any right to fairness, prosperity, or comort that they had previously enjoyed. Screw 'em.

So do we condemn them all for the actions of a few? We don't condemn the US military for the actions of a few of its personnel so why should we condemn all Iraqis for the actions of some fanatic terrorists (who may or may not even be Iraqi).

PS> There are allegations of actions greater than humiliation... some of which include rape and murder.

Kevin · #14 05-15-2004, 10:52 PM

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Originally posted by RACooper
So do we condemn them all for the actions of a few? We don't condemn the US military for the actions of a few of its personnel so why should we condemn all Iraqis for the actions of some fanatic terrorists (who may or may not even be Iraqi).

PS> There are allegations of actions greater than humiliation... some of which include rape and murder.

The folks in these particular prisons are in there because they were caught trying to kill US soldiers.

These aren't shoplifters or people picked up for possession of a little weed.

These are enemies that want our men and women dead.

You're more quick to defend these Iraqi killers than our own soldiers. I never heard you come out this strong when they were dragging our dead through the streets and putting their bodies on display on bridges. Anything that happened to them in there, in my mind, they deserved far worse.

DeltAlum · #15 05-15-2004, 11:19 PM

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Originally posted by ktsnake
The folks in these particular prisons are in there because they were caught trying to kill US soldiers.

I'm interested in how you came to that conclusion when, according to the US Major General who did the original investigation, 70 percent plus of those arrested, jailed and held in US controlled Iraqi prisons were there for no legal reason as I recall. In other words, nothing illegal was found in further investigation.

Did I miss something in that stat?