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Old 05-11-2004, 02:46 PM
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Decry the prisoner abuse all that you want....

But at least those iraqis are still alive.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,119615,00.html

Video Appears to Show Beheading of American

Tuesday, May 11, 2004



CAIRO, Egypt — A video posted Tuesday on an Islamic militant Web site showed the beheading of an American civilian in Iraq, and said the execution was carried out by an Al Qaeda affiliated group to avenge the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers.

The video showed five men wearing headscarves and black ski masks, standing over a bound man in an orange jumpsuit — similar to a prisoner's uniform — who identified himself as Nick Berg (search), a U.S. contractor whose body was found on a highway overpass in Baghdad on Saturday.

"My name is Nick Berg, my father's name is Michael, my mother's name is Susan," the man said on the video. "I have a brother and sister, David and Sarah. I live in ... Philadelphia."

After reading a statement, the men were seen pulling the man to his side and putting a large knife to his neck. A scream sounded as the men cut his head off, shouting "Allahu Akbar!" — "God is great." They then held the head out before the camera.

Berg's family said Tuesday they knew their son had been decapitated, but didn't know the details of the killing. When told of the video by an Associated Press reporter, Berg's father, Michael, and his two siblings hugged and cried.

"I knew he was decapitated before. That manner is preferable to a long and torturous death. But I didn't want it to become public," Michael Berg said.

On the Web site, one of the executioners read a statement:

"For the mothers and wives of American soldiers, we tell you that we offered the U.S. administration to exchange this hostage with some of the detainees in Abu Ghraib (search) and they refused."

"So we tell you that the dignity of the Muslim men and women in Abu Ghraib and others is not redeemed except by blood and souls. You will not receive anything from us but coffins after coffins ... slaughtered in this way."

The video bore the title "Abu Musab al-Zarqawi shown slaughtering an American." It was unclear whether al-Zarqawi — a lieutenant of Usama bin Laden — was shown in the video, or was claiming responsibility for ordering the execution.

The Web site on which the video was posted is known as a clearing house for Al Qaeda and Islamic extremist groups' statements and tapes. An audiotape purportedly from bin Laden — which the CIA said was probably authentic — appeared on the same Web site last week.

Western officials say al-Zarqawi, whose real name is Ahmad Fadhil al-Khalayleh, is a lieutenant of bin Laden. The United States has offered $10 million for information leading to the capture or killing of al-Zarqawi, saying he is trying to build a network of foreign militants in Iraq to work for Al Qaeda.

In the video, the speaker threatened both President Bush and Pakistani President Gen. Pervez Musharraf (search).

"As for you Bush ... expect severe days. You and your soldiers will regret the day you stepped into the land of Iraq," he said. He described Musharraf as "a traitor agent."

The slaying recalled the kidnapping and videotaped beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl (search) in 2002 in Pakistan. Four Islamic militants have been convicted of kidnapping Pearl, but seven other suspects — including those who allegedly slit his throat — remain at large.

Suzanne Berg, the mother of the 26-year-old Berg, of West Chester, Pa., said her son was in Iraq as an independent businessman to help rebuild communication antennas. He had been missing since April 9, she said.

"He had this idea that he could help rebuild the infrastructure," she said.

The U.S. military Tuesday said an American civilian was found dead in Baghdad, but did not release his identity. State Department spokeswoman Susan Pittman said she couldn't release the name of the dead American, but said she not aware of more than one civilian found dead in recent days.

The military said there were signs of trauma to the body. Suzanne Berg said she was told her son's death was violent but did not want to discuss details.

Berg, who was in Baghdad from late December to Feb. 1, returned to Iraq in March. He didn't find any work and planned again to return home on March 30, but his daily communications home stopped on March 24. He later told his parents he was jailed by Iraqi officials at a checkpoint in Mosul.

"He was arrested and held without due process," his father, Michael Berg, told the Daily Local News of West Chester recently. "By the time he got out the whole area was inflamed with violence.

The FBI on March 31 interviewed Berg's parents in West Chester. Jerri Williams, a spokeswoman for the Philadelphia FBI office, told The Philadelphia Inquirer the agency had been "asked to interview the parents regarding Mr. Berg's purpose in Iraq."

On April 5, the Bergs filed suit in federal court in Philadelphia, contending that their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. The next day Berg was released. He told his parents he hadn't been mistreated.

The Bergs last heard from their son April 9, when he said he would come home by way of Jordan, Turkey or Kuwait. But by then, hostilities in Iraq had escalated.

Suzanne Berg on Tuesday said she was told her son's body would be transported to Kuwait and then to Dover, Del. She said the family had been trying for weeks to learn where their son was but that federal officials had not been helpful.

"I went through this with them for weeks," she said. "I basically ended up doing most of the investigating myself."

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Old 05-11-2004, 03:12 PM
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This reminds me of the murder of Daniel Pearl.
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Old 05-11-2004, 03:14 PM
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Exactly! I get the heebies when I think about what I saw in that video!

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This reminds me of the murder of Daniel Pearl.
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Old 05-11-2004, 03:19 PM
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Exactly! I get the heebies when I think about what I saw in that video!
I never saw that video. It must have been profoundly disturbing. I can't watch such brutality.
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Old 05-11-2004, 03:20 PM
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I want the ACLU to watch this........
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Old 05-11-2004, 03:29 PM
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Exactly! I get the heebies when I think about what I saw in that video!
The very thought of watching that video makes me sick to my stomach! Yet, the way the media misbehaves, I just know that I'll be subjected to it, whether I want to see it or not.

God bless his family & friends - and EVERYONE who is Iraq, for mercenary reasons, military reasons, or whatever!
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Old 05-11-2004, 03:55 PM
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Why did he go over there without work?

I mean wouldn't you have a contract in place before you went? At least then someone would be accountable for you.

Ok, guys . .. I know you want to make money, but please don't go searching the want-ads in Iraq?

Damn, you think people would realize.
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Old 05-11-2004, 04:02 PM
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there was a really good editorial in the Wall Street Journal on this topic, if any of you are interested.
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Old 05-11-2004, 04:12 PM
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I want the ACLU to watch this........
Why????
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Old 05-11-2004, 04:56 PM
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there was a really good editorial in the Wall Street Journal on this topic, if any of you are interested.
Could you post a link??
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Old 05-11-2004, 06:05 PM
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Hope they catch who ever did this.
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Old 05-12-2004, 10:33 AM
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Why did he go over there without work?

I mean wouldn't you have a contract in place before you went? At least then someone would be accountable for you.

Ok, guys . .. I know you want to make money, but please don't go searching the want-ads in Iraq?

Damn, you think people would realize.
Nick Berg is from my area, so there are interviews with his friends and acquaintences all over the news here. Apparently he wasn't just out to make money, this was his thing — he would randomly pick up and go to some 3rd world country to see what he could do to help. Apparently he spent some time in Ghana and a few other places doing the same thing. He just wanted to help out the Iraqi people.


I think the people who abused the Iraqi prisoners should be forced to watch the video of Nick Berg's murder over and over, a la Clockwork Orange, to see what their stupidity has caused. These psychotic extremists were looking for any excuse to do this, and the idiot prison guards hand-delivered it to them.
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Old 05-12-2004, 10:43 AM
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These were two TOTALLY different things. If theyd done this 'in response' to the American occupation of their city, no one would be saying, 'well, we shouldnt have been there in the first place'.

Torturing prisoners is a f***ed up thing, and I dont condone it one bit. However, Id be hard pressed to even take prisoners if I knew that some of them had blew out a bridge under half my platoon. I was fortunate enough not to have lost any close friends or family in the September 11 attacks, but from what Ive gathered on this board and news outlets, the majority of those who have want to see whoevers responsible dead, not 'brought to justice'.

ETA: Im not saying that the Iraqis are responsible for the 9/11 attacks one way or the other, but reading it again it sounds that way. Im merely saying whether you lost a loved one in the WTC attacks, or lost a buddy in a guerilla attack in Iraq, many would feel that taking prisoners isnt justice.

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Old 05-12-2004, 10:50 AM
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I think the people who abused the Iraqi prisoners should be forced to watch the video of Nick Berg's murder over and over, a la Clockwork Orange, to see what their stupidity has caused. These psychotic extremists were looking for any excuse to do this, and the idiot prison guards hand-delivered it to them.
One had nothing to do with the other. Actually americans were brutally massacred and hung, mutilated on a bridge before any word of prisoner abuse got out.

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Old 05-12-2004, 10:55 AM
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mrblonde,

I understand your feelings and logic, but if they were followed they would fly in the face of many of the tenants upon which our country was founded.

In the end, two wrongs don't make a right -- to coin a phrase.

If we're going to meet barbarism in kind, then let's drop the pretence that we're always the guys in the white hats.

If we're really going to be the good guys, then even folks like Military Intelligence and the CIA need to play by the rules. Even when it puts us at a disadvantage. Which it can.
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