Iraqi Prisoner Abuse Hearings/ Military Revelations/Retaliation-American Beheaded

[NUPE4LIFE]

I am sitting here watching the Senate question Donald Rumsfeld and other top military leaders about the Iraqi prisoner abuse and I want to throw up. Here are all of these Senators (white) talk about how the conduct of those few American soldiers is un-American and goes against the values of America. However, I can't help but think back on how this "great" country of ours came to be. Through the slaughtering of millions of Native people to the horrors of over 400 years of enslavement of Africans, our "great" country was built. Violence has been at the cornerstone of our democracy. It's not ironic that young men and women would perpetrate the same kind of violence and inhumane treatment that America is synonymous for. It's kills me that they care more about how they treat citizens of foreign nation than they do about the treatment of citizens right inside our own country. Let's we forget that while Blacks make up less that 20% of the U.S population, almost 50% of Blacks are incarcerated or under some form of community control. And what really ticks me off, is how they are now considering paying reparations or as Sec. Rumsfeld put it "compensation" to those prisoners abused. African slaves build this country on their backs, but we have yet to see a dime! Several senators said that this scandal has hurt America's "credibility". Hell, America has never been that credible to me! I want to close by saying that inhumane acts built this nation and continue to be perpetrated today. When are we gonna have a Senate hearing about that?

[SKEEphistAKAte]

I agree with you NUPE 100%. The sad thing is, if it wasn't election year, none of these hearings would be taking place- if they did, they wouldn't be as widely publicized as they have been the past few weeks.

[darling1]

so why was i thinking the EXACT same thing when watching this mess????

ok so at which point did you get up to either throw something at the tv or laugh at the entire facade.

"ah, secretary rumsfeld, that was a very STRONG statement".

***smh***

like your signature says, cocane is a helluva drug

Originally posted by NUPE4LIFE
I am sitting here watching the Senate question Donald Rumsfeld and other top military leaders about the Iraqi prisoner abuse and I want to throw up. Here are all of these Senators (white) talk about how the conduct of those few American soldiers is un-American and goes against the values of America. However, I can't help but think back on how this "great" country of ours came to be. Through the slaughtering of millions of Native people to the horrors of over 400 years of enslavement of Africans, our "great" country was built. Violence has been at the cornerstone of our democracy. It's not ironic that young men and women would perpetrate the same kind of violence and inhumane treatment that America is synonymous for. It's kills me that they care more about how they treat citizens of foreign nation than they do about the treatment of citizens right inside our own country. Let's we forget that while Blacks make up less that 20% of the U.S population, almost 50% of Blacks are incarcerated or under some form of community control. And what really ticks me off, is how they are now considering paying reparations or as Sec. Rumsfeld put it "compensation" to those prisoners abused. African slaves build this country on their backs, but we have yet to see a dime! Several senators said that this scandal has hurt America's "credibility". Hell, America has never been that credible to me! I want to close by saying that inhumane acts built this nation and continue to be perpetrated today. When are we gonna have a Senate hearing about that?

[ladygreek]

I firmly believe that those soldiers did what they were told to do. This stuff has been happening for awhile and it has been ignored (and maybe even applauded) by the powers to be. Now the soldiers are being scapegoated because it got out.

The bottom line is we have given even our allies a good reason to back off from us, and we have seriously undermined our reputation in the world. We are now more vunerable than ever for terroist attacks.

But yes, the comment that this is un-American behavior cracked me up, because like you said this mess has been happening to Black folx for years.

[enlightenment06]

Originally posted by NUPE4LIFE
I am sitting here watching the Senate question Donald Rumsfeld and other top military leaders about the Iraqi prisoner abuse and I want to throw up. Here are all of these Senators (white) talk about how the conduct of those few American soldiers is un-American and goes against the values of America. However, I can't help but think back on how this "great" country of ours came to be. Through the slaughtering of millions of Native people to the horrors of over 400 years of enslavement of Africans, our "great" country was built. Violence has been at the cornerstone of our democracy. It's not ironic that young men and women would perpetrate the same kind of violence and inhumane treatment that America is synonymous for. It's kills me that they care more about how they treat citizens of foreign nation than they do about the treatment of citizens right inside our own country. Let's we forget that while Blacks make up less that 20% of the U.S population, almost 50% of Blacks are incarcerated or under some form of community control. And what really ticks me off, is how they are now considering paying reparations or as Sec. Rumsfeld put it "compensation" to those prisoners abused. African slaves build this country on their backs, but we have yet to see a dime! Several senators said that this scandal has hurt America's "credibility". Hell, America has never been that credible to me! I want to close by saying that inhumane acts built this nation and continue to be perpetrated today. When are we gonna have a Senate hearing about that?

I second.

[AKA2D '91]

BUSH and ALL OF HIS LYING AZZ COHORTS NEED TO GO!

[NUPE4LIFE]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
BUSH and ALL OF HIS LYING AZZ COHORTS NEED TO GO!

AMEN!

[AKA2D '91]

The Army general who first investigated prisoner abuse in an Iraqi prison told Congress on Tuesday the mistreatment resulted from faulty leadership, a "lack of discipline, no training whatsoever and no supervision

Say what? Were they NOT grown a* men and women? Soldiers without discipline, no training? Say what? how is that possible? Maybe the military isn't as viable as we thought.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...prisoner_abuse

[AKA2D '91]

CAIRO, Egypt - A video posted Tuesday on an Islamic militant Web site showed the beheading of an American civilian in Iraq (news - web sites), and said the execution was carried out by an al-Qaida affiliated group to avenge the abuse of Iraqi prisoners by American soldiers.


http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...rican_beheaded

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by NUPE4LIFE
Let's we forget that while Blacks make up less that 20% of the U.S population, almost 50% of Blacks are incarcerated or under some form of community control. And what really ticks me off, is how they are now considering paying reparations or as Sec. Rumsfeld put it "compensation" to those prisoners abused. African slaves build this country on their backs, but we have yet to see a dime! Several senators said that this scandal has hurt America's "credibility". Hell, America has never been that credible to me! I want to close by saying that inhumane acts built this nation and continue to be perpetrated today. When are we gonna have a Senate hearing about that?

OK..well of course I"ll be the voice of dissent here..surprise surprise right??

Ok, it is a fact that there are a large number of Blacks incarcerated or under some form of community control...but who's fault is that? Yes there have been and continue to be obstacles that confront the black community...but surely you aren't blaming the "system" or "the man" for the high rates of incarceration are you?? And yes, my country was built by the hands of my ancestors...but you know what..I am proud that my ancestors paved the way for me to live in the GREATEST NATION IN THE WORLD!! Because if that hadn't happened..I'd be somewhere in Africa..and while I love my culture, history and anecestors..but I'll pass....

So NUPE4LIFE...its easy to say a bunch of things that sound good..but what are you really saying...should we have a congressional hearing...reparations...WHAT??? The bottom line is that THE ONLY thing that will change the current status quo of the African American community is US GETTING OURSELVES TOGETHER!! HANDOUTS FROMT HE GUBMENT, A HEARING, REPARATIONS ETC WON'T CHANGE A THING!! It will only be a temporary fix. We as a community need to get our homes in order before we start blaming everybody and their momma for our problems and/or pointing out things that happened 2-300 years ago...

And let me say..I'm not attacking you personally..its just this type of thinking in the black community really gets me heated...as if the long time GCers didn't know that about me


PS - Since America isn't credible..and such a terrible place...have u ever thought about going back to the Motherland?? You know..that place where BLACK PEOPLE are still being enslaved, degraded, beaten etc to this day.. by other BLACK PEOPLE

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
BUSH and ALL OF HIS LYING AZZ COHORTS NEED TO GO!

YAY!! and then we can replace them with more lying cohorts!!

[AKA2D '91]

Basically. Until YOU run!

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by AKA2D '91
Basically. Until YOU run!

LOL! Gurrl couldn't pay me enough! And besides..no one would vote for me...some people say I'm a little "controversial" in my thinking..picture dat..

[allsmiles_22]

Originally posted by Love_Spell_6
OK..well of course I"ll be the voice of dissent here..surprise surprise right??

I think you would make a great politician seeing out of his 12 sentence paragraph, you focused 3 sentences in which he never asked for reparations or made excuses as to why some of the black community is in the state it is.

I believe he was making and IMO did make a good correlation as to how we can be upset or shocked at how these prisoners are being treated by our "great" country when this treatment was how our "great" country developed. I understand your dissent with reparations and misbehaving blacks, but that's not the issue here. Do you dissent with his correlation?

[Love_Spell_6]

Originally posted by allsmiles_22
I think you would make a great politician seeing out of his 12 sentence paragraph, you focused 3 sentences in which he never asked for reparations or made excuses as to why some of the black community is in the state it is.

I believe he was making and IMO did make a good correlation as to how we can be upset or shocked at how these prisoners are being treated by our "great" country when this treatment was how our "great" country developed. I understand your dissent with reparations and misbehaving blacks, but that's not the issue here. Do you dissent with his correlation?

Uhh..my post..so I can focus on what I want..Thank you very much

And yes in your opinion he did a good job showing the correlation..in my opinion his logic was faulty..but opinions are like rectums everybody has one..so to answer you YES I dissent with his correlation