beer in the house?

[Kevin]

At our 2000 Grand Chapter, there was a provision that IHQ was really pushing hard requiring mandatory dry housing. One of the great things about Sigma Nu is that for HQ to make a change like that, they have to get the chapters to agree to it (or at least a simple majority). They failed to get that vote so we're not officially dry.

What Kitso said reflects what they came up with as a comprimise.

[TSteven]

Originally posted by AchtungBaby80
Our whole campus was totally dry. Anyone with a house on campus couldn't have alcohol, sorority or fraternity. I'm not sure about the off-campus houses, though--a few fraternities had those, but they never had parties in them...they usually just used a member's off-campus apartment or house.

AchtungBaby80 - I think the total dry campus does not mean there is a total ban, but certain guidelines that must be followed regarding parties. Like a third party vendor.

From "The Encyclopedia to Greek Life at the University of Kentucky" regarding alcohol policy.

"Main points include: 'open' parties are prohibited and now members must sign up before on a guest list, there can be no use of chapter funds for the purchase of alcohol, alcohol can not be centrally distributed, no one under the age of 21 is allowed to bring alcoholic beverages onto chapter premises, and Greek Social events must be registered the Tuesday prior to the event in the Greek Affairs office."

From "Guidelines for Event Planning at the University of Kentucky"

1. All events must comply with the University of Kentucky Alcohol Policy, Administrative Regulation II-1.1-4, as well as state and local law.

2. For events serving alcohol, an insured, licensed, third-party vendor should be hired by sponsoring organizations.

3. Events or activities must/should be ticketed or they must/should be closed to all but members of the sponsoring organization and guests.

4. The sponsoring organization and the contracted vendor must take steps to identify members and guests of legal drinking age, including the check of an officially issued state or federal identification.

5. Direct or indirect purchase of alcoholic beverages by sponsoring organizations is not permitted.

6. Alcohol must/should not be sold, directly or indirectly, by sponsoring organizations through any means, such as tickets, admission charges or donations.

7. Transportation alternatives should be provided by the sponsoring organization for members and guests.

8. Advertising the presence of alcohol and/or encouraging the use of alcohol is not permitted in event promotions.

9. Non-alcoholic beverages and food items are to be served and conspicuously displayed.

10. Alcohol must/should not be the focus of membership recruitment activities for registered organizations.

11. The consumption of alcohol or drugs for the purpose of initiation or affiliation with an organization is not permitted.

[GeekyPenguin]

Originally posted by Erik P Conard
how do you handle beer/kegs/cans in the house? In states with
the drinking age under 21, the President is subject to arrest as
considered the enabler. What does adviser/board do? In the 50s we had clean house, but had a housemother too. This is but
one reason why risk management costs so high. This is ignoring the condition of the house...usually in shambles.
We do not want to yank the charter but when the guys don't listen....your opinions, please. TKE board member of 40 years

Erik, so you know, the drinking age is 21 in every state now, and has been for quite some time.

That being said, I've seen a variety of policies, from a completely dry house to houses that had kegs on their front porch. Does TKE have a international policy on alcohol/risk management? I know several other major fraternities do, and I think that'd be the first guideline to follow.

You'll need to have active and involved alumni in order to enforce the policy, because college guys will look for any way possible to skirt it.

Originally posted by ktsnake
At our 2000 Grand Chapter, there was a provision that IHQ was really pushing hard requiring mandatory dry housing. One of the great things about Sigma Nu is that for HQ to make a change like that, they have to get the chapters to agree to it (or at least a simple majority). They failed to get that vote so we're not officially dry.

What Kitso said reflects what they came up with as a comprimise.

Are you gonna turn me in to lose SNu points because i wrote nationals instead of INTERnationals?

Kitso
KS 361 times you'd better not, my chapter designation is lower than yours

only kidding bro

[Erik P Conard]

naw, TKE has no policy on alcohol and I think if we did we'd be
hypocrites...In '57-'60 only 2 TKE chapters had legal access to booze...Cal-Berkeley was allowed keg in front yard on Fri aft., &
Cornell had "liquor cabinet" and "liquor bill." All others were not
allowed, only if school would put it in writing...would TKE okay it.
So...yes, we damned well had booze, lots of it. But not in the
house. Good booze, too, not cheap crap. But we used discretion
and did not try to get the girls blotto to deflower them, either.
Beer is bad deal in house, not only for interrupting study hours, but emotion, drunks, messy place...we had pride in that virtually
anyone could enter our house, anytime, and find it reasonably
clean. We had pledge duties, too, to keep up place and it was never considered hazing. Even the Dean Wormers could come and visit and find no fault. But we still had plenty to drink and I
was, perhaps, the biggest drinker of all. BUT, never out of hand,
and if one was...he'd catch hell in next chapter meeting. If we'd
all work at DISCRETION...we'd likely cut our risk management fees
in half. Whaddya say? I say behave or be gone. Sharpen up, be
cool...bein' a drunk will get you fired when you get out in the world...and if we Greeks truly want to offer a good life experience,
we will figure out a way...won't we? Uncle Erik, kindly Uncle Erik

[Tom Earp]

"DISCRETION" What a wonderful word!

Erik, is an idiot! Erik has not been aound since Christ was a Corporal, Erik has not Been A Member and Held Many Jobs with TKE and many Schools!

So when you find this reprobate unproductive, then you are not well enough informed!

E C holds to no such dogma for the simple fact that what is going on in todays Greek Society is not of Our Days, when Pledges were Pledges and had to do only certain things that Are Not Pollitically Correct Today. I did not mean Hazing by any streach of the imagination. But, We all have to abide by the Rules.

Live or Die, the rules made are the rules to live by!

EC, when you coming Back????

[Erik P Conard]

I am not sure what you were saying, Tom, but I gathered you are
of the opinion that it is o.k. to drink booze in the fraternity house.
Now, never mind if the violator is under 21, as we can go "wink-wink" on that. Never mind if the kid gets blotto and tears up the
place. Never mind if the kid, who has recently broken up with his
girl friend...allows the booze to put him over the edge. Or slips off the roof or falls off the window ledge..duh, double-duh.
And finally, perhaps each of you who think differently should talk
to their respective HQs and ask about the pending law suits.
We have a presumably forever dead chapter in MD with a million dollar lien against it.. alcohol took a life here.
We have at least two chapters where the President of T K E is being sued and will possibly do time 'cause of alcohol violations.
There are other suits, every year, against chapters which we manage to get out of...with considerable expense...monies which
could have been used to help YOU build a house or something!
Troops, this is REAL...Do you have to wait to face the man in the black robe to get the picture? Do you want your folks walking in
thru the cans and barf and then try to tell 'em this is brotherhood
There are bars, lodges, places you can drink...to your heart's content (or wallet's) and not bother that brother who is working
hard to make Phi Beta Kappa.
Think it over...I am old, 68, today....but not ready, not quite, for
the home...and I want all chapters to stay alive and to have alums with good memories of nigh on fifty years, like I do.

[SigPhiSunshine]

well being a local, we can have alcohol if we want, but we usually dont. all the national sororities are not allowed to have alcohol, but none of them follow the rules and do what they want. most of the fraternities have alcohol in their houses. the only one i can think of at the moment that doesnt is Sigma Nu, but that is by their choice. the fraternity houses i hang out at follow the "common source" rule that says no kegs or anything like that and as result they have a fridge full of cases. if their is a keg, it isnt a wide known thing and is put up in someones room or closet or something like that.

[Tom Earp]

Erik,

a tounge in cheek statement! Thought you might get a grin out of it!

We also have a no drinking policy in the House. Specifically NO on Kegs any where on the site.

I have always been a firm beleiver that if a Young Person can Vote for our leaders and be in the Military, then they shuold be able to drink alchohol. The problem is when it gets out of hand and trouble insues.

[Erik P Conard]

Sorry, Tom, misunderstood your stance. CU, the so-called great
party school, has ten NIC fraternities absent. The clowns are still playing musical chairs. But Sig Ep, SAE. TKE and DX are back. Beta, gone for the third time, vows to never return. Got a meeting with our colony about booze; we took Kappa Sig and Phi
Delt pledges...some of them...as they were kicked off last year
along with KA. Some of these new boys want to be hazers and
some want to be house-boozers, and all may be gone in a week
if things do not radically change, soon. Problem is, additionally,
folks...when these houses close, like Delt, or ATO, the University
gloms on to the houses...so, no more beautiful Fiji or SAE ones.
Little by little, and on other campuses, too, the schools are taking
the Greek houses...funding them out of student funds so the gay
alliance and the international clubs can have housing. All because
of booze violations...duh...let us all work together. I would like to
sit down and have ten sociable drinks with you...but not in the
fraternity house! We could resolve our dilemmas, I am sure...so,
whiskey! more whiskey! Uncle E