pledge of alliegence

This thread may have been in exisitence before but at 11:30 at night i dont feel shifting thru 31 pages to find it

What do you think of this calif lawyer trying to remove a portion of the pledge?

a man that doesnt even have full cusotdy of his daughter and a wife and daughter who feel he is in the wrong.....


I can forsee a pulic lynching but he had his day in court ( the hi court the supreme court ) and although they considered his case... i dont see it being granted.

[AlethiaSi]

its kind of funny that you bring this topic up- actually my friends and i were having a debate about this over a pint last night at our favorite pub.... my friend told me that the case was coming up to the court and she asked what my thoughts were about it. i told her that if they are trying to get rid of "under god" in the pledge of allegience in order to seperate church and state... then where does this fine line of seperation end? If they are trying to get rid of a statement such as this... then where is the justification in trying to outlaw gay marraiges? doesn't this argument have origins in the church? aren't gay marraiges amoral? If the supreme court even THINKS about trying to get rid of such a phrase- then they need to get off there sorry *sses and do something about being hypocrites too. Bush and his seperatist christian fanatics need to slow their role... what is this world coming to....

[Kevin]

Bush and his Christian fanatics didn't put it in there. However, they, being religious people, probably like it in there.

I don't personally find the statement horribly subversive. Kids don't put a heck of a lot of thought into the pledge. They just say it because everyone else does.

The Eisenhower administration helped that little change along in 1954. It's not something the founding fathers had much to do with. Personally, I wouldn't miss those two words all that much.

[AlethiaSi]

ok.. your right about the Bush thing... but i just don't like him or his policies... so i like to blame things on him... thats not to say that i'm too keen on other canidates or the state of things etc.. but thats just my personal feeling...

[valkyrie]

I think that "under god" should be removed from the pledge.

[krazy]

Originally posted by valkyrie
I think that "under god" should be removed from the pledge.

I feel the two words should remain, and be capitalized, underlined and written in BOLD.

[deuika]

Originally posted by valkyrie
I think that "under god" should be removed from the pledge.

I concur...

Simply because it wasn't in there originally, so it's not like removing it will destroy the pledge. Contrary to popular belief not everyone in America believes in God,Go Figure.
So those people shouldn't be forced to be labeled "unpatriotic" which happens quite often, just because they don't want to say Under God.

[honeychile]

I can remember someone complaining to a teacher about saying, "Under God." She said, "Don't say it, then."

If people try to get along, they usually will.

[Taualumna]

Originally posted by honeychile
I can remember someone complaining to a teacher about saying, "Under God." She said, "Don't say it, then."

If people try to get along, they usually will.

Good idea. Maybe they could officially make the "God" line optional.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by bruinaphi
So then children, who have to say the pledge everyday at school, either feel uncomfortable b/c they have to say "under God" or they feel uncomfortable b/c they don't say it and they are stand out in class. Other kids notice these things. It's not fair to make children feel this way during their developmental stages. They should be able to figure out their religious beliefs and take stands on them outside the classroom setting.

Exactly! It's hard enough being a kid without being put in a position every day where you're reminding everyone that you're DIFFERENT.

[honeychile]

Originally posted by bruinaphi
So then children, who have to say the pledge everyday at school, either feel uncomfortable b/c they have to say "under God" or they feel uncomfortable b/c they don't say it and they are stand out in class. Other kids notice these things. It's not fair to make children feel this way during their developmental stages. They should be able to figure out their religious beliefs and take stands on them outside the classroom setting.

Okay, remember when you were in elementary school and said the Pledge? Remember how everyone just mumbled along and some idiot usually had the words wrong anyhow? If it really offends you to say "Under God", teach your child not to say it.

The chances are huge that no one will even notice.

[Taualumna]

Do you think kids will really notice that another kid isn't saying it? You're talking about 20-30 voices reciting at the same time.

[valkyrie]

What really offends me is a PUBLIC school encouraging children to say anything about "God" at all. A public school is not the place for that.

[kafromTN]

Just wondering, if we remove the "under God" from the pledge of allegiance, do we have to change all of our currency that says "In God we Trust"?

If so that would kill our economy as it would be so expensive& as everyone knows if they decide to remove "under God" from the pledge others who want to remove any trace of God from our government will use it as a precedent to remove it from our money.

While we're at it, should we delete the part of the Constitution that says "year of our Lord" ?

I mean y'all need to look at the big picture.


Just my $.0354876 worth
-Mark

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by kafromTN
Just wondering, if we remove the "under God" from the pledge of allegiance, do we have to change all of our currency that says "In God we Trust"?

I think we should. Think of all the jobs it would create if we had to print new money!

I'm only half kidding. It shouldn't say anything about God on money, but I agree that replacing it all would be impratical -- it would have to be done over time.