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Old 07-04-2001, 01:03 AM
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Post "What to a Slave is the Fourth of July"

Please forgive me if this has already been discussed, I may have overlooked it in my search.

The editor states which I see as true, "What to a slave is the Fourth of July" is meant for another time in history. It is just as timely and pertinent today, where there is no surcease in racial profiling, police brutality, disenfranchisement and a rampant disregard for human rights.

I tried to cut and paste the article but it wouldn't work so please go to: www.blackamericaweb.com Click on the link Exclusives from the Black World, there you can find the article by Frederick Douglass.

The last three paragraphs are the ones which I am alluding to.

Please post feedback concerning the article and whether you choose to celebrate Independence Day. Why or Why not? Do you think the articles message still applies today?




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Old 07-04-2001, 08:32 PM
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I don't take these National Holidays seriously. To most blacks, such days are just a vacation from work and a reason to have a cookout.
I agree that there are still great injustices in the world...but my question is the same as it has always been...what are WE going to do about it? Are we going to continue crying over racial profiling and police brutality...or are we going to take an active stance? As a criminal justice graduate student, I have chosen to become directly involved instead of sitting back and fussing about how blacks are discriminated against and mistreated.
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Old 07-05-2001, 11:23 AM
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unless you still consider yourself a slave...it should mean a whole lot...independence and freedom...if you feel oppressed...you are oppressed...if you feel like a slave you are a slave...and if you blame your lack of progress on the color of your skin...despite all the opportunities available to those that doggedly seek them out...you will always be stagnate and never gain any since of economic, social, political, or spiritual freedom...so what does the fourth of july mean to a slave...absolutely nothing...because a slave is not free...

do you know how many brothahs and sistahs fought to maintain your freedom in the face of opposition just so people could sit on their a$$ and complain about how this country ain't done isht for them??? probably not...and neither do i because they have largely gone unrecognized and only in recent years have they begun to get a minute portion of the accolades due them...so once again...what does the fourth of july mean to a slave...absolutely nothing...because a slave ain't free...and what's worse...some of them walk around in business suits now days...not physically chained...but mentally chained...



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Old 07-05-2001, 04:16 PM
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Originally posted by CelestialBlu1:
unless you still consider yourself a slave...it should mean a whole lot...independence and freedom...if you feel oppressed...you are oppressed...if you feel like a slave you are a slave...and if you blame your lack of progress on the color of your skin...despite all the opportunities available to those that doggedly seek them out...you will always be stagnate and never gain any since of economic, social, political, or spiritual freedom...so what does the fourth of july mean to a slave...absolutely nothing...because a slave is not free...

do you know how many brothahs and sistahs fought to maintain your freedom in the face of opposition just so people could sit on their a$$ and complain about how this country ain't done isht for them??? probably not...and neither do i because they have largely gone unrecognized and only in recent years have they begun to get a minute portion of the accolades due them...so once again...what does the fourth of july mean to a slave...absolutely nothing...because a slave ain't free...and what's worse...some of them walk around in business suits now days...not physically chained...but mentally chained...

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Old 07-03-2003, 03:25 PM
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http://www.adams.edu/academics/art_l...5douglass.html

Fellow-citizens; above your national, tumultuous joy, I hear the mournful wail of millions! whose chains, heavy and grievous yesterday, are, to-day, rendered more intolerable by the jubilee shouts that reach them. If I do forget, if I do not faithfully remember those bleeding children of sorrow this day, "may my right hand forget her cunning, and may my tongue cleave to the roof of my mouth!" To forget them, to pass lightly over their wrongs, and to chime in with the popular theme, would be treason most scandalous and shocking, and would make me a reproach before God and the world. My subject, then fellow-citizens, is AMERICAN SLAVERY. I shall see, this day, and its popular characteristics, from the slave's point of view. Standing, there, identified with the American bondman, making his wrongs mine, I do not hesitate to declare, with all my soul, that the character and conduct of this nation never looked blacker to me than on this 4th of July! Whether we turn to the declarations of the past, or to the professions of the present, the conduct of the nation seems equally hideous and revolting. America is false to the past, false to the present, and solemnly binds herself to be false to the future. Standing with God and the crushed and bleeding slave on this occasion, I will, in the name of humanity which is outraged, in the name of liberty which is fettered, in the name of the constitution and the Bible, which are disregarded and trampled upon, dare to call in question and to denounce, with all the emphasis I can command, everything that serves to perpetuate slavery-the great sin and shame of America! "I will not equivocate; I will not excuse;" I will use the severest language I can command; and yet not one word shall escape me that any man, whose judgment is not blinded by prejudice, or who is not at heart a slaveholder, shall not confess to be right and just.

But I fancy I hear some one of my audience say, it is just in this circumstance that you and your brother abolitionists fail to make a favorable impression on the public mind. Would you argue more, and denounce less, would you persuade more, and rebuke less, your cause would be much more likely to succeed. But, I submit, where all is plain there is nothing to be argued. What point in the anti-slavery creed would you have me argue? On what branch of the subject do the people of this country need light? Must I undertake to prove that the slave is a man? That point is conceded already. Nobody doubts it. The slaveholders themselves acknowledge it in the enactment of laws for their government. They acknowledge it when they punish disobedience on the part of the slave. There are seventy-two crimes in the State of Virginia, which, if committed by a black man, (no matter how ignorant he be), subject him to the punishment of death; while only two of the same crimes will subject a white man to the like punishment. What is this but the acknowledgment that the slave is a moral, intellectual and responsible being? The manhood of the slave is conceded. It is admitted in the fact that Southern statute books are covered with enactments forbidding, under severe fines and penalties, the teaching of the slave to read or to write. When you can point to any such laws, in reference to the beasts of the field, then I may consent to argue the manhood of the slave. When the dogs in your streets, when the fowls of the air, when the cattle on your hills, when the fish of the sea, and the reptiles that crawl, shall be unable to distinguish the slave from a brute, their will I argue with you that the slave is a man!

For the present, it is enough to affirm the equal manhood of the negro race. Is it not astonishing that, while we are ploughing, planting and reaping, using all kinds of mechanical tools, erecting houses, constructing bridges, building ships, working in metals of brass, iron, copper, silver and gold; that, while we are reading, writing and cyphering, acting as clerks, merchants and secretaries, having among us lawyers, doctors, ministers, poets, authors, editors, orators and teachers; that, while we are engaged in all manner of enterprises common to other men, digging gold in California, capturing the whale in the Pacific, feeding sheep and cattle on the hill-side, living, moving, acting, thinking, planning, living in families as husbands, wives and children, and, above all, confessing and worshipping the Christian's God, and looking hopefully for life and immortality beyond the grave, we are called upon to prove that we are men!

Would you have me argue that man is entitled to liberty? that he is the rightful owner of his own body? You have already declared it. Must I argue the wrongfulness of slavery? Is that a question for republicans? Is it to be settled by the rules of logic and argumentation, as a matter beset with great difficulty, involving a doubtful application of the principle of justice, hard to be understood? How should I look to-day, in the presence of Americans, dividing, and subdividing a discourse, to show that men have a natural right to freedom? speaking of it relatively, and positively, negatively, and affirmatively. To do so, would be to make myself ridiculous, and lo offer an insult to your understanding. There is not a man beneath the canopy of heaven, that does not know that slavery is wrong for him.

What, am I to argue that it is wrong to make men brutes, to rob them of their liberty, to work them without wages, to keep them ignorant of their relations to their fellow men, to beat them with sticks, to flay their flesh with the lash, to load their limbs with irons, to hunt them with dogs, to sell them at auction, to sunder their families, to knock out their teeth, to bum their flesh, to starve them into obedience and submission to their masters? Must I argue that a system thus marked with blood, and stained with pollution, is wrong? No! I will not. I have better employments for my time and strength, than such arguments would imply.

What, then, remains to be argued? Is it that slavery is not divine; that God did not establish it; that our doctors of divinity are mistaken? There is blasphemy in the thought. That which is inhuman, cannot be divine! Who can reason on such a proposition? They that can, may; I cannot. The time for such argument is past.

At a time like this, scorching irony, not convincing argument, is needed. O! had I the ability, and could I reach the nation's ear, I would, to-day, pour out a fiery stream of biting ridicule, blasting reproach, withering sarcasm, and stern rebuke. For it is not light that is needed, but fire; it is not the gentle shower, but thunder. We need the storm, the whirlwind, and the earthquake. The feeling of the nation must be quickened; the conscience of the nation must be roused; the propriety of the nation must be startled; the hypocrisy of the nation must be exposed; and its crimes against God and man must be proclaimed and denounced.

What, to the American slave, is your 4th of July? I answer: a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelly to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciations of tyrants, brass fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade, and solemnity, are, to him, mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy - a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices, more shocking and bloody, than are the people of these United States, at this very hour.

Go where you may, search where you will, roam through all the monarchies and despotisms of the old world, travel through South America, search out every abuse, and when you have found the last, lay your facts by the side of the everyday practices of this nation, and you will say with me, that, for revolting barbarity and shameless hypocrisy, America reigns without a rival.
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Old 07-03-2003, 05:43 PM
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I think that what we go through today can't even begin to be in the same league with what our ancestors went through. However, I do agree with the last three paragraphs. I agree with ChaosDST. We have to take ACTION. One of the reasons I joined A Phi A is because I saw the potential for the good I could do through the organization.
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Old 07-03-2003, 09:06 PM
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You took the words right out of my mouth...
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Old 07-04-2003, 08:27 AM
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Well, my family never really celebrated the 4th of July except for the fact that we ate bbq. We didn't do the fire works and what-not. We didn't do the actual outdoor bbq either. My mom made the bbq in the house and put the ribs in the oven.

Since, I've got to college, I have celebrated Juneteenth every year as our African American Cultural Center puts on a very big celebration for it.
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