black woman or

Professor · #1 01-07-2004, 02:18 PM

I was watching C-SPAN that had a panel discussing AA that have run for the presidential bid. One question asked by a woman candidate was described as damning -
Do you consider yourself a black woman first or a woman first then black. What would have been your reply?

nikki1920 · #2 01-07-2004, 02:33 PM

I would say black woman. I think people notice that I'm Black first, then woman.

lovelyivy84 · #3 01-07-2004, 02:40 PM

black woman definitely

I'm with Nikki1920- there are far more issues uniting me with black people in this country than with women.

CrimsonTide4 · #4 01-07-2004, 02:53 PM

I am a BLACK WOMAN!!

Professor · #5 01-07-2004, 02:54 PM

i failed to mention the question was asked of the candidate because she was seeking endorsement from a women rights group that consist primarily of non-black women - i hope you see the difficulty

TonyB06 · #6 01-07-2004, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by CrimsonTide4
I am a BLACK WOMAN!!

...gon wit your bad self, Sojurner "CT4" Truth.

Seriously, this is an interesting topic (good post, Bro. Professor). I'm looking forward to seeing the responses of the GC sistahs.

abaici · #7 01-07-2004, 03:13 PM

AH, that makes things more difficult. Well, I guess it's time for me to pull out my Spelman card. I cannot be either/or. One does not come before the other. I am both equally. Historically, if we look at the Black woman's role in the Feminist movement and the Civil Rights/Black Power movement, we were not treated or viewed as equals. So, I cannot choose. Just as white females do not understand me, often times I feel that Black men do not as well.

btb87 · #8 01-07-2004, 03:40 PM

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Originally posted by abaici
AH, that makes things more difficult. Well, I guess it's time for me to pull out my Spelman card. I cannot be either/or. One does not come before the other. I am both equally. Historically, if we look at the Black woman's role in the Feminist movement and the Civil Rights/Black Power movement, we were not treated or viewed as equals. So, I cannot choose. Just as white females do not understand me, often times I feel that Black men do not as well.

Very well said, Soror.

Kimmie1913 · #9 01-07-2004, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by abaici
AH, that makes things more difficult. Well, I guess it's time for me to pull out my Spelman card. I cannot be either/or. One does not come before the other. I am both equally. Historically, if we look at the Black woman's role in the Feminist movement and the Civil Rights/Black Power movement, we were not treated or viewed as equals. So, I cannot choose. Just as white females do not understand me, often times I feel that Black men do not as well.

Mine is not the Spelman card (but I guess Africana studies major concentrating in Black Women's issues card will do!

) I concur with abaici. I think there are things that tie Black women to both the plight of women and the plight of Black men but that in the end, we occupy a space that is unique unto us. To me, I am fundamentally a BlackWoman (no space) one entity with neither part coming before the other. No part of who I am would be the same with out both of these characteristics being vere present. We are something distinct from our White female counterparts AND our Black brothers.

I see why the question really stood out in the context where it was asked. Based on the question asked I would have answered Black woman. Hopefully, any true feminist scholar would (and should) understand the significance of that and not consider it a reason not to support me or recognize my desire or ability to advocate on issues affecting women.

CrimsonTide4 · #10 01-07-2004, 03:44 PM

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Originally posted by Kimmie1913
Mine is not the Spelman card (but I guess Africana studies major concentrating in Black Women's issues card will do! ) I concur with abaici. I think there are things that tie Black women to both the plight of women and the plight of Black men but that in the end, we occupy a space that is unique unto us. To me, I am fundamentally a BlackWoman (no space) one entity with neither part coming before the other. No part of who I am would be the same with out both of these characteristics being vere present. We are something distinct from our White female counterparts AND our Black brothers.

I see why the question really stood out in the context where it was asked. Based on the question asked I would have answered Black woman. Hopefully, any true feminist scholar would (and should) understand the significance of that and not consider it a reason not to support me or recognize my desire or ability to advocate on issues affecting women.

Go head on SOROR KIMMIE!! BlackWoman (no space), fa sho. I wanna be like you when I grow up.

abaici · #11 01-07-2004, 03:54 PM

Question Professor...did a member of the GROUP ask the question, or someone else?

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Originally posted by Kimmie1913
I see why the question really stood out in the context where it was asked. Based on the question asked I would have answered Black woman. Hopefully, any true feminist scholar would (and should) understand the significance of that and not consider it a reason not to support me or recognize my desire or ability to advocate on issues affecting women.

I take issue with the question if a member of the group asked the question. As, Kimmie stated, white feminists should be informed of the issues confronted Womanist at this point and time and such a question is inappropriate.

**PS SISTERGREEK Kimmie---The Spelman card/Africana-Women's Studies card are very simliar. It's like the difference between a Costco ans Sam's Club card...girl, it's almost the same thing. LOL**

AKA2D '91 · #12 01-07-2004, 04:21 PM

woman or lady?

Is there a difference?

Peaches-n-Cream · #13 01-07-2004, 04:21 PM

Hello Ladies. I just wanted to share a book with you that I read in a Women's Studies class. It is called All The Women are White, All the Blacks are Men, But Some of Us Are Brave: Black Women's Studies by Gloria T. Hull, Patricia Bell Scott and Barbara Smith. It was very informative, and I highly reccommend it if you haven't already read it.

Professor · #14 01-07-2004, 04:36 PM

The question was asked of Shirley Chisom (?) when she ran for president - again, she was seeking endorsement by a womans organization.

abaici · #15 01-07-2004, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by AKA2D '91
woman or lady?

Is there a difference?

Yes. The term lady is loaded. It carries with it behavior expectations. Ladies do not yell? Ladies, do not do this, etc.

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Originallty posted by ProfessorThe question was asked of Shirley Chisom (?) when she ran for president - again, she was seeking endorsement by a womans organization.

Thanks for the clarification. I thought this question was presented to Braun. Well, considering the time period I understand the question being asked. Did she receive their endorsement?