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Old 12-20-2013, 11:39 AM
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Okay, I was writing a post about how I had read through all the expansion threads since 2008 and didn't have a clue but the more I think about it the more a certain idea starts to make sense. I have no idea if I'm totally off-base or not, though, so I'm not going to voice my opinion on this matter. I just have one now where I didn't before.
I'm with you. I am seriously out of the loop and I didn't realize it. So, would the chapters that continue to expand and get bigger want to leave because NPC doesn't provide them with the resources they have on their own or is it opposite? I guess I never realized that there were organizations that were seriously that unhappy with the NPC. I'd hate to see anyone leave.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:10 PM
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You knoweth not that you knoweth not.

I seriously doubt ANY regular poster of GreekChat has the inside scoop on what goes on behind the scenes at NPC. Please.
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Old 12-20-2013, 12:51 PM
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You knoweth not that you knoweth not.

I seriously doubt ANY regular poster of GreekChat has the inside scoop on what goes on behind the scenes at NPC. Please.
No one said they did...
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Old 12-20-2013, 03:06 PM
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If anything, members will probably leave, not be added.
As curious as I am about this, I checked out the expansion threads but haven't found anything about any groups suggesting they would want to leave. Perhaps groups that regularly choose not to participate in formal recruitment? I'm clueless.
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Old 12-20-2013, 03:34 PM
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As curious as I am about this, I checked out the expansion threads but haven't found anything about any groups suggesting they would want to leave. Perhaps groups that regularly choose not to participate in formal recruitment? I'm clueless.
33girl simply said that she could see a group leaving before one was added. That doesn't mean that any group has straight up said they might leave. As far as I know, no group is currently trying to join the NPC, either. This is just a "what if?" discussion.
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Old 12-21-2013, 11:55 AM
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My honest *guesses* about what could be meant...

The most likely reason for a group to want to leave the NPC based on expansion would be
1) a declaration that they *are* going to expand to school X even though the NPC at school X is unwilling to expand regardless of how large the houses get.
2) They've decided that they *are* going to return to the school that was their first chapter even though the school still (100+ years later) doesn't qualify for NPC sororities (presumably being a 2 year school)
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Old 12-21-2013, 12:44 PM
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I imagine it's difficult for smaller NPC sororities to compete with larger sororities in terms of alumni support and money when expanding at a large campus. NPC expansion and recruitment rules are so strict that they're unfavorable to smaller groups. You'll notice that many smaller organizations don't bother to even present at large schools even when it would be a recolonization of a single letter chapter. It's kinda not fair.
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Old 12-21-2013, 12:51 PM
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33girl simply said that she could see a group leaving before one was added. That doesn't mean that any group has straight up said they might leave. As far as I know, no group is currently trying to join the NPC, either. This is just a "what if?" discussion.

Except that this happened:

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Really? What makes you say that? Are there members of the NPC that don't seem too happy with it?
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By their actions, yes.
which makes it sound like more than a "what if" discussion.
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Old 12-21-2013, 02:46 PM
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I imagine it's difficult for smaller NPC sororities to compete with larger sororities in terms of alumni support and money when expanding at a large campus. NPC expansion and recruitment rules are so strict that they're unfavorable to smaller groups. You'll notice that many smaller organizations don't bother to even present at large schools even when it would be a recolonization of a single letter chapter. It's kinda not fair.
Really? It's mutual selection just like with recruitment.
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Old 12-21-2013, 03:22 PM
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Really? It's mutual selection just like with recruitment.
What does mutual selection have to do with it when larger groups have more resources, funds, alumnae, etc. to offer in their presentations? I'm not saying it's unfair, but it certainly isn't a level playing field.
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Old 12-21-2013, 03:56 PM
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I also think housing resources play a big role. I'm sure that property values at many large campuses preclude some groups from applying. Take Wisconsin, for example. The property values of those lakefront mansions would scare a lot of groups away. Buying into housing there would require a huge allocation of resources.
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Old 12-21-2013, 04:27 PM
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Except that this happened:

which makes it sound like more than a "what if" discussion.
Yes, by their actions (or lack thereof). That doesn't mean a group has said that they're leaving, which is what I addressed.

In other words, if you search the expansion threads, you're not going to find anyone say, "I heard that ABC is thinking of leaving the NPC." It's much more subtle than that.
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Old 12-21-2013, 05:07 PM
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What does mutual selection have to do with it when larger groups have more resources, funds, alumnae, etc. to offer in their presentations? I'm not saying it's unfair, but it certainly isn't a level playing field.
I feel like I am also behind in this in determining what the "larger groups" actually are. I mean, some of the groups are expanding like crazy while others are not. I figure that some of those not expanding like crazy are already big. I know there are some NPCs, which I won't name because I wouldn't want it to be viewed as being disrespectful to any of them, are smaller in general. With the exception of about 3-5 NPC organizations, I really have no idea what other organizations are considered smaller for the purpose of expansion. It appears that every NPC has done some great things by expanding at the various campuses in the colonizations thread. That is why I am really confused.
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Old 12-21-2013, 05:56 PM
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It may not only be a function of the size of the group, but also the size and type of schools/systems where they tend to have chapters. Being in the NPC at some schools is a hindrance, since locals have fewer regulations and can recruit according to the campus culture.
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Old 12-21-2013, 06:43 PM
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Last time time I talked to NIC, thery had no desire to expand.
When I aked why, they said so many new groups sprouting up, Latino, Asian, Gay that they would not be interested.
I would assume the same for PNC, who are more strict than NIC.
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