Supersize recruitment!!

[hoosieral]

Originally Posted by Katmandu

It would be great if Indiana (and other schools that use this system of notifying bid/no bid at the same time in the dorms) would establish a different, and kinder, way to let the women who are not getting bids know that their recruitment has ended. An advance call. A text. Something that allows them to go someplace else rather than have to be part of the joyful craziness of bid day. Yes, greek life may not be in the cards for everyone, but it seems particularly cruel and "in your face" to make them find out publically when everyone else is celebrating and there is no one there to help you navigate those first very difficult moments. It is never easy to find out that something you want isn't in the cards, but some privacy and your rho gamma's undivided attention can go a long way.

Yes that would be nice! I know also a lot of girls who did get bids felt bad celebrating because their friends and neighbors didn't so it also takes away from their excitement. Some rho gammas have personally let girls know beforehand if they didn't get a bid (although im not sure their allowed to do that) so that they know not to expect anything.

Also thanks for everyones continued support!

[Katmandu]

Take care of yourself and throw yourself into the activities and opportunities that happen at a large state university! You have so much to offer and to learn from your time at indiana. I wish you all good things.

[TSteven]

Originally Posted by Pass the Pinot

^^^. What Southernbuff said and one step more.....does IU as an institution care or see the implication? All things considered, my daughter looked at UK and IU as relatively equal and was 50/50 choosing one. Being Greek was very important to her and GC provided us information that wasn't exactly clear when we visited Bloomington(i.e. bed #'s). She chose UK because she didn't want the stress of the IU recruitment process. (she did not chose a university for greek matters alone, truly all else was equal). So IU missed out on a 4.0 student, active in student government who will be a loyal UK alum forever.

Originally Posted by Pass the Pinot

She had a pretty big time at the Superdome with the Cats year before last and is looking forward to a big party in Atlanta this year.

[ForeverRoses]

Just to answer a few questions that were asked (I don't really feel like going back and quoting them though):

Yes, IU sororities do submit a quota prior to recruitment starting. However it does have a bit of movement- if I remember correctly we could increase our quota but not decrease after recruitment started.

COB/COR whatever you want to call it is rare. and if it happens, it is VERy hush-hush.

Snap bids do happen occassionally, however they can only be given to women that attended preference at the chapter.

NPC headquarters are an hour up the road from IU. NPC would love to change IU. IU doesn't want to change. IU chapters don't want to be SEC sized. They don't see a 300 member chapter as a good thing.

[Blue Skies]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

I have no idea where you got 17% but that is way off. People putting incorrect statistics out there when the correct numbers on on the IUB Panhellenic website does not help at all. Here are last year's recruitment numbers from Panhellenic

2013
Number of women who registered for recruitment 1733
Number of women who participated in bid matching 1160
Number of women who matched 1025

So that's a 59.145% match rate overall. The next group of stats will show you where the women dropped, were released, etc.


Released or withdrew:
withdraw/no show for 21-party 104
grade release for less than 2.7 182
withdraw/no show for 14-party 67
withdraw/no show for 8-party 43
released after 8-party 11
withdraw after 3-party 162
released after 3-party (no bid) 135
Total number unmatched 704

The total number unmatched, as you see, includes grade releases and no shows (286 women of the original 1733).

I still feel that a 59% match rate is nothing to be proud of. One also has to keep in mind that the 59% match rate you cite represents an *improvement* over prior years.

Also, I feel that in a bed rush, with a fixed number of bids to give out, the number of withdraws/no shows is deceptive.

With 1733 women initially registering, 182 did not meet the grade requirement to rush. That brings the number down to 1,551. Sororities gave out 1025 bids. I'm going to assume that is pretty close to the fixed number of bids they had to offer. That leaves approximately 526 women who never had a chance of getting a bid -- roughly one third of the women rushing.

[wsucalsigmakapp]

I am not from Indiana, and I don't have much knowledge regarding the way they conduct recruitment. I look at these stats, and when saying 59% match rate, I feel that is not completely accurate.

I look at the 104 women who withdrew/no showed for 21 party day, this should NOT go against Indiana's placement rate. Those women didn't show up for day 1.... They have no reason to be upset with placement rates, they did not show up...

The second column shows 182 women who did not meet academic requirements and were released. Again, this is by no fault of the Panhellenic at Indiana. Each organization has academic requirements, it is the PNM's job to meet these requirements.

That is 286 women who I don't believe should count negatively against Indiana's placement rate. If you take those original numbers out of this equation, Indiana would then actually have close to a 71% placement.

Then take a look at the withdrawls from 14, 8, and 3 party days (these are women who decided they did not like the remaining options OR that Greek life was not for them), that total is 272. Withdrawing happens everywhere, I have to ask myself what other campuses look like in terms of placement.

It is unfortunate for the 146 women that were released, I agree, but I don't think the placement rate is as bad as it first appears. 92% of the women who choose to stick through recruitment are placed into an organization.

[ASTalumna06]

Originally Posted by ForeverRoses

NPC headquarters are an hour up the road from IU. NPC would love to change IU. IU doesn't want to change. IU chapters don't want to be SEC sized. They don't see a 300 member chapter as a good thing.

A question (directed to everyone): I believe someone mentioned earlier that IU would like to see all 26 NPCs on their campus by 2020. Whether that's true or not, I don't know. However, I would have to assume that at some point, IU might HAVE to change. Let's say the school gets all 26 NPCs on campus.. or let's even assume that they can't, and they max out at 23, for example. If Greek life continues to grow and grow, presumably either the bed quota will have to be done away with, or the number of PNMs who maximize their options but go bidless will increase.

Granted, this might not happen for a number of years, but again, assuming that more and more PNMs sign up each year, I would guess that something would eventually have to give...


ETA: What's the average chapter size currently?

[DubaiSis]

it doesn't have to change at all. While it is extremely rare for girls to go bidless at other schools, it is not at IU. This isn't a democracy and if 3000 girls want to try for 600 spots, so be it. While I think it's weird and oddly exclusionary, I'm not a student there and have no say.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by ASTalumna06

ETA: What's the average chapter size currently?

Remember there is no campus total, so chapter size is left up to the individual chapters. It ranges from approximately 130-190. The smallest chapter does not allow live outs, has a beautiful historic home and purposely keeps their chapter small to emphasize the desirability. The larger chapters are either unhoused or allow live outs.


Forever Roses correct my figures if you have more accurate ones from the chapters.

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by ElvisLover

I just have to add that I hate the word "awkward" to describe some of the houses, as I'm sure most of you are as well. It takes all types, and it might be that they are just not as spirited in rushing as some of the other sororities, but they still have a lot to offer. Although, in my day, we used a much harsher word, I hate to admit.

I hate the word awkward too, I use it because that is what I hear the girls say...who knows what that even means. It seems to me like its code for "I'm so ms everything I am too good for that house." Sigh.

[cinder1965]

Originally Posted by wsucalsigmakapp

I am not from Indiana, and I don't have much knowledge regarding the way they conduct recruitment. I look at these stats, and when saying 59% match rate, I feel that is not completely accurate.

I look at the 104 women who withdrew/no showed for 21 party day, this should NOT go against Indiana's placement rate. Those women didn't show up for day 1.... They have no reason to be upset with placement rates, they did not show up...

The second column shows 182 women who did not meet academic requirements and were released. Again, this is by no fault of the Panhellenic at Indiana. Each organization has academic requirements, it is the PNM's job to meet these requirements.

That is 286 women who I don't believe should count negatively against Indiana's placement rate. If you take those original numbers out of this equation, Indiana would then actually have close to a 71% placement.

Then take a look at the withdrawls from 14, 8, and 3 party days (these are women who decided they did not like the remaining options OR that Greek life was not for them), that total is 272. Withdrawing happens everywhere, I have to ask myself what other campuses look like in terms of placement.

It is unfortunate for the 146 women that were released, I agree, but I don't think the placement rate is as bad as it first appears. 92% of the women who choose to stick through recruitment are placed into an organization.

Yep, I tried to kind of post that earlier but you did a much better job! I've been really critical of IU's system....but I think I need to dial it down a bit. Those 286 women you counted could have gotten bids or joined a potential new chapter...but would they?? Probably not.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by DeltaBetaBaby

Another thing is the lack of good housing options for live-outs. I hear slow movement on that front, and it's *possible* that, if/when there are more good apartments, more seniors would take a four-room apartment with booze and boys over a third year living in.

I'm assuming there are students-only complexes abounding in the area. If one of them had sense, they would call themselves "Grecian Quarters" (or something else alluding to the Greek system) and earmark wings/chunks for individual sororities.

[IndianaSigKap]

Originally Posted by 33girl

I'm assuming there are students-only complexes abounding in the area. If one of them had sense, they would call themselves "Grecian Quarters" (or something else alluding to the Greek system) and earmark wings/chunks for individual sororities.

There are three apartment complexes that rent blocks to Greeks: 10th & College and Terra Trace (don't know if it's still called that) and two apartment complexes that rent blocks to the underground (kicked off campus) fraternities. They don't have to re-name themselves, it's fairly common knowledge among the Greeks.

[ElvisLover]

Originally Posted by cinder1965

I hate the word awkward too, I use it because that is what I hear the girls say...who knows what that even means. It seems to me like its code for "I'm so ms everything I am too good for that house." Sigh.

Yes, I wasn't accusing you of inventing that word to describe actives/pnms, etc., as I knew it's just the word all the young people are using now. I guess it's better than "goob" which was the word of choice in my day, but not by much. Ahhh, if we could only put our 30, 40, 50, or 60-year old minds into some of these 18-year-olds' bodies, rush might be much less of a social war/popularity contest.

[ForeverRoses]

Originally Posted by IndianaSigKap

Remember there is no campus total, so chapter size is left up to the individual chapters. It ranges from approximately 130-190. The smallest chapter does not allow live outs, has a beautiful historic home and purposely keeps their chapter small to emphasize the desirability. The larger chapters are either unhoused or allow live outs.


Forever Roses correct my figures if you have more accurate ones from the chapters.

Your numbers match mine exactly. When you look at the totals, only 146 women were released without a bid (11 after 8 party and 135 after pref). Of that number, I am not sure how many didn't maximize all their options during recruitment. All the others withdrew or were grade released.
Quota this past year ranged from 35-70; actual pledge classes ranged from 37-84 (so you can see that QAs do happen).