University of Mississippi (Ole Miss) 2012 Recruitment

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by WCsweet<3

And I can guarantee that you cannot know that unless you sit in membership selection with each chapter. Chapters will take grade risks. Sometimes there are other reasons why PNMs are dropped. Also, what happens in your daughter's chapter is not complete for all chapters.

I think it is fairly widely known that that PNMs who have less than a 3.0 will very likely have fewer options in a competitive recruitment process. And frankly, I think it is a lot kinder for them to be aware of this on the front end of rush, so that they don't feel 'rejected' thinking that they were dropped for reasons more personal.

Chapters do take "grade risks" (though sometimes very very few) -- but how many, what is considered a "grade risk," and the circumstances may vary greatly among chapters.

The chapter GPAs are often listed by the Greek Affairs/Greek Life office. One can see which chapters cluster toward the top of chapter GPAs -- and these are often the chapters where a PNM with a low GPA is more likely to be released (of course, nothing is always true without exception -- just speaking in general terms here).

Ole Miss:

http://dos.orgsync.com/org/umgreeks/scholarship

[WCsweet<3]

Originally Posted by Hartofsec

I think it is fairly widely known that that PNMs who have less than a 3.0 will very likely have fewer options in a competitive recruitment process. And frankly, I think it is a lot kinder for them to be aware of this on the front end of rush, so that they don't feel 'rejected' thinking that they were dropped for reasons more personal.

Chapters do take "grade risks" (though sometimes very very few) -- but how many, what is considered a "grade risk," and under what circumstances may vary greatly among chapters.

The chapter GPAs are often listed by the Greek Affairs/Greek Life office. One can see which chapters cluster toward the top of chapter GPAs -- and these are often the chapters where a PNM with a low GPA is more likely to be released (of course, nothing is always true without exception -- just speaking in general terms here).

Ole Miss:

http://dos.orgsync.com/org/umgreeks/scholarship

My complaint is calling out specific chapters. Anyone who is at all is familiar with Ole Miss recruitment will know grades are a huge factor. However, calling out specific chapters is crap even if they have the higher GPAs. For all we know the ones with lower GPAs may be all science majors while the others have lighter class load majors/majors that don't kill you in the same way. We can guess the reason women are dropped is due to grades, but there is no way to know why SPECIFIC CHAPTERS drop women other than making assumptions.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by newgreekmommy

If I wasn't clear, I was trying to explain that no matter what a girl does, there's a 99% chance she will be cut from a certain number of houses after round 1... and it's 100% because of grades. With as many girls as they have going through, the first way certain houses cut is by grades.

Unless you are sitting in on membership selection sessions, you do not know FOR SURE why women were cut. PERIOD.

And I never thought I'd agree with Hartofsec on anything, but she is right in that you really need to shut your pie hole as far as "my daughter's chapter does this" and "my daughter's chapter does that." If she shared confidential sorority business with you, I sincerely doubt she meant for you to spew it all over an internet message board.

Is it common knowledge that women with lower grades will get cut from more groups sooner? Yes. Is it appropriate to list names of chapters and why you think they will cut for ANYTHING? NO.

This isn't that site that you disparaged for "stupid myths." We try really hard to be Panhellenic and NOT repeat chapter gossip, reputations or why this chpater or that chapter cuts someone. If you don't get that, this isn't the site for you.

[33girl]

Originally Posted by newgreekmommy

My daughter pledged Chi O or DDD (not saying which).

Actually...

[MaryPoppins]

As a native Mississippian, I was brought up by my old row grandmother that sometimes it's just better if we don't say anything at all.

[MaryPoppins]

Originally Posted by WCsweet<3

My complaint is calling out specific chapters. Anyone who is at all is familiar with Ole Miss recruitment will know grades are a huge factor. However, calling out specific chapters is crap even if they have the higher GPAs. For all we know the ones with lower GPAs may be all science majors while the others have lighter class load majors/majors that don't kill you in the same way. We can guess the reason women are dropped is due to grades, but there is no way to know why SPECIFIC CHAPTERS drop women other than making assumptions.

If one were to go back to the first page of this thread, it's made quite clear that 3.0 is pretty much the minimum GPA if you want to be a female Greek at Ole Miss. If a PNM somehow makes it to bid day with less than a 3.0, there must have been very special circumstances which cannot be replicated with any reliability by any other special snowflake due to MSM factors.

[MaryPoppins]

Originally Posted by newgreekmommy

Where are the Moms of the PNMs? My daughter rushed at Ole Miss last year... and was so worried.

When the need arises, answers will be provided to those who seek advice. If advice is not sought out it is seldom heeded 3when given.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by 33girl

Actually...

BwahAhahahahaha

[AUmom2012]

I had no idea that gpa was such an issue in Ole Miss recruitment. I know it is an issue with all chapters during rush, but so much there. Now I love Ole Miss, and don't mean this in any possible bad way but.....Ole Miss traditionally is a little easier to get into to begin with. Now, don't start fussing at me ok. My point is, at a university that is alittle easier on the gpa/sat scores for entrance, and putting such an emphasis on gpa for rush, does this seem odd?

I do have 4 pnm's going through next week that I wrote recs for, and I'm scared to death for them. They all attended a top ranked HS in their state, a liberal arts magnet, very competitive to get into. So I would guess their gpa would be higher at a "neighborhood" school, as they are called here.

2 of those pnm's have a gpa around the 2.3 area, one is a legacy to one of those 'it' chapters, still worries me. The other two have no greek affiliation, but gpas are above 3.5. I would hate for any of them to be cut completely out of rush, but my fear is that will happen. Its gonna be a long week next week!

[MaryPoppins]

Originally Posted by AUmom2012

My point is, at a university that is alittle easier on the gpa/sat scores for entrance, and putting such an emphasis on gpa for rush, does this seem odd?

This is the way it is because you cannot be a bon vivant, and a volunteer, and a student, at the same time if you aren't already a scholar. The sorority girls at Ole Miss are fabulous multifaceted multitalented creatures, mere mortals should not apply

[AUmom2012]

Originally Posted by MaryPoppins

This is the way it is because you cannot be a bon vivant, and a volunteer, and a student, at the same time if you aren't already a scholar. The sorority girls at Ole Miss are fabulous multifaceted multitalented creatures, mere mortals should not apply

Yes I agree completely!! Fabulous as most Greek women are!!!!

[DubaiSis]

You can't worry about it.

And regarding mothers and blathering about things their daughters say in confidence, it's just not cool. If the daughters ARE sharing confidential information (and membership selection of any sort beyond what is publicly published IS confidential), finding their way to this site would probably be horrifying.

The point some of the less "I know everything about rush because my daughter is in the best house" gcers are trying to make is although there are very strong guidelines for all of the chapters, the hard and fast absolutely can't be broken rules are most likely secret.

How some of us would have preferred this to be written is "grades are very important here and even with a gpa of 3.0, you can be cut after the first round based on grades, to say nothing of a hundred other things; things you can and cannot control. You can't take it personally, so just be prepared for cuts and be happy with the chapters who have invited you back."

[MaryPoppins]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

You can't take it personally, so just be prepared for cuts and be happy with the chapters who have invited you back."

You always put it so eloquently and succinctly.

[MaryPoppins]

Originally Posted by DubaiSis

"grades are very important here and even with a gpa of 3.0, you can be cut after the first round based on grades, to say nothing of a hundred other things; things you can and cannot control. You can't take it personally, so just be prepared for cuts and be happy with the chapters who have invited you back."

And I think that's exactly what you and I and so many in our Greek Chorus, have been preaching since post one of this thread.

So pleased with my double entendre that I might bust.

[Hartofsec]

Originally Posted by WCsweet<3

My complaint is calling out specific chapters. Anyone who is at all is familiar with Ole Miss recruitment will know grades are a huge factor. However, calling out specific chapters is crap even if they have the higher GPAs. For all we know the ones with lower GPAs may be all science majors while the others have lighter class load majors/majors that don't kill you in the same way. We can guess the reason women are dropped is due to grades, but there is no way to know why SPECIFIC CHAPTERS drop women other than making assumptions.

I think speculating that any large chapter may be “all science majors” or have “lighter class loads” really is a stretch.


The reality in any competitive recruitment – as I understand it -- is that chapters with the highest return rates (these chapters may be known as strong rushing chapters, highly desired chapters, chapters-that-shall-not-be-named, or whatever) must also release the highest number of PNMs each round. After one or two 20 to 30 minutes parties, it is not likely that the chapter actives have come to know PNMs much beyond what is on paper. Therefore, an objective criterion (grades) is a way to pare down the invitations, and those chapters making the most cuts will disappear from the invite lists of more PNMs.

The Ole Miss recruitment site has information regarding grades very prominently displayed (and in bold):


There is currently no GPA requirement to participate in formal recruitment set by the University of Mississippi. This does not, however, apply to the chapters' individual requirements to extent a bid. The chapter average to extend a bid is a 3.0 GPA. Women who have below a 3.0 GPA are advised that they are at a greater risk to be released from the process. With the amount of women that go through the formal recruitment process, GPA tends to be an easy way for the chapters to begin to manage the numbers. Being released from recruitment or receiving a bid through the process is due to a wide variety of factors that are ultimately up to the chapters. GPA is only one of those factors, but there is much weight placed on GPA. To reiterate, women with below a 3.0 are at a greater risk of release. Women who have below a 3.0 GPA are advised to participate in the formal recruitment process the following year after taking a year to get acclimated to the University and achieving in the classroom.

GPA Zones: Green Zone = your options are not likely to be limited based on GPA. Yellow Zone = your options are more likely to be limited by GPA. Red Zone = your options are very likely to be limited based on GPA.


Green Zone (aka Safe Zone): 3.0+
Yellow Zone: 2.8-2.99
Red Zone: 2.79 and Below


http://dos.orgsync.com/org/umgreeks/npcrecruitment