Obama Administration: Do Not Deport Some Young Illegal Immigrants

[Munchkin03]

Originally Posted by AGDee

If immigration rules were as tight 100-110 years ago as they are right now, how many of us would be here?

In some ways, immigration rules are much more lax NOW than they were at the beginning of the 20th century. People of Western European extraction had very little problem, but Eastern Europeans, Southern Europeans, and the Chinese? We don't have rules against people from specific countries like we did back in the day.

[IUHoosiergirl88]

I feel like that even if the law has the right intentions (I thought a couple of GOP members even expressed support, which says a lot), that Obama is currently so polarizing that people are going to be like OMG I HATE BECAUSE THAT COMMIE OBAMA PRODUCED IT.

People are so uneducated about the issues and candidates that it's really getting to be quite disturbing.

[AOII Angel]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Aww I think it's cute in a bleeding heart kind of way.

I've noticed that a lot of people who participate in this debate don't understand the immigration system or how it works. The system is designed to be most advantageous to the nation, not the individual immigrant. It's this way in every country in the world, probably will always be this way too. Our country had a totally different set of needs 100-200 years ago. We needed immigrants to grow the population and settle and develop the country. Look at the Homestead Act. Should people still be entitled to free land today because they did it 50 years ago?

Since there was really no sort of welfare back then, the possibility of an immigrant becoming a public burden was nil. Back then if you didn't work, you didn't eat.

Today's "desired" immigrant needs to be educated (or willing to be), able to financially support him/herself and their dependents at entry, able to contribute to society and not be a threat to public safety.

But once again...
Our immigration policies are written to address to needs of our country, not the needs of the individual immigrant. While becoming the worlds refugee camp and feeding, housing, and supporting the worlds poor and downtrodden may give us all warm and fuzzies we just can't afford to do it with our currently broken entitlement system.

Not exactly. There are many European union nations that routinely take in refuges from African and middle eastern countries that are not educated or of some use to the admitting country. These countries also have fairly open borders with the countries around them...because it's pretty hard to patrol your entire border with a neighbor. Greece isn't exactly a great neighbor at the moment, but no one is suggesting they build a fence around it. Comparing Europe to us is like comparing apples to oranges, but ignoring Mexico and pretending our policies with regard to our neighbor hasn't caused a large part of our problem with immigration is ludicrous. We'll never fix our illegal immigration problem without being a better neighbor to Mexico and improving the living condition discrepancy that can be overcome by simply stepping over a border.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

Not exactly. There are many European union nations that routinely take in refuges from African and middle eastern countries that are not educated or of some use to the admitting country. These countries also have fairly open borders with the countries around them...because it's pretty hard to patrol your entire border with a neighbor. Greece isn't exactly a great neighbor at the moment, but no one is suggesting they build a fence around it. Comparing Europe to us is like comparing apples to oranges, but ignoring Mexico and pretending our policies with regard to our neighbor hasn't caused a large part of our problem with immigration is ludicrous. We'll never fix our illegal immigration problem without being a better neighbor to Mexico and improving the living condition discrepancy that can be overcome by simply stepping over a border.

We also take in people seeking asylum but it's not an unlimited number. I'm willing to wager the EU countries also have limitations on how many visas they issue to asylum seekers.

In regards to Mexico what do you really think we can do to be better neighbors or improving their living conditions? We already send billions in aid (which inly grease the palms of the elite) along with the billions sent in by citizens to family members still living there. Other than us over throwing the current corrupt government and annexing them our hands are tied.

[starang21]

he's pandering. but i don't have that big of an issue with it. particularly those kids who serve.

[DrPhil]

Bump as many of us celebrate Independence Day (the adoption of the Declaration of Independence).


MSN asks "could you get US citizenship?"


I failed with 50%. I second guessed myself on a few of the answers. Oh well, U.S. History was always my least favorite course for reasons that I will not get into.

[agzg]

I got two wrong, number of amendments (I chose 23, it was 27), and which one was not among the original states, I just mis-clicked on that one.

But I always liked U.S. History.

[PiKA2001]

I took the quiz but the site wouldn't give me the results. They seemed pretty easy (plus they are all things I learned in middle school U.S. history) so I'm pretty sure I did well. The ones I was iffy about were the the amendments (I chose 27) and which one was not among the original (I chose Vermont).

[Elephant Walk]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I failed with 50%. I second guessed myself on a few of the answers. Oh well, U.S. History was always my least favorite course for reasons that I will not get into.

Wait, really?

50%?

I made an 85%.

And I believe I said it, but I applaud Obama's decision on this one. I think its pandering, but so has most of the things he's done in the last three months or so.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by Elephant Walk

I made an 85%.

Yay.

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