ITT We Discuss Theology

[SWTXBelle]

I vote St. Augustine, but then my patron saint is St. Monica.

Greek Chat introduced me to a Gamma Phi in Connecticut who is a cradle Episcopalian - she asked me for Anglican Ordinariate info, and I think she's gonna end up swimming the Tiber. Thanks, GC!

[barbino]

The St. Ambrose version piqued my interest- lately I have been appreciating all things theologically Orthodox.

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by MysticCat

I'm sure I don't know what you mean.

I have a St. Augustine's that I picked up at a used bookstore for something like $5. I'm betting if you look around you can find a used copy at a good price.

If it were me, I'd probably go for the Irish Prayer Book -- of the three, it's a canonically-approved liturgy rather than a devotional manual, and that's what I'd probably want in my collection. But if you'd rather have a devotional manual . . . .

I don't know anything about the St. Ambrose, but if you've got an anglo-catholic bent (which I think I remember you do), I think you'd like the St. Autgustine's.

It seems part of what the St. Ambrose Prayer Book has is a couple of approved WR Divine Liturgies.

[SWTXBelle]

Fr. Jeffrey Steenson's homily - (he was at my church 2 weeks ago!)

http://www.usordinariate.org/installationhomily.html

[MysticCat]

SWTXBelle, I'm truly happy that you are happy to be where you are now and I give thanks for that for you.

[Psi U MC Vito]

How is the Ordinariate different from the Eastern Rite Churches?

[SWTXBelle]

We are Roman Catholic - fully Roman Catholic. The Ordinariate ( to which individuals as well as parishes have to be admitted - there is an application process) allow parishes to function together kind of like a diocese, but obviously not bound by geography. The Eastern Rite Catholics ( I assume you are not including the schismatical churches) are in union with the pope but maintain their own rites, have their own patriarchs, etc. I've heard it explained that they are essentially the same as before the great schisms. What they are NOT is Latin - unlike the parishes of the Ordinariate. The churches of the Ordinariate are using the Anglican rite which is actually closer to the rites of the church at the time of Henry VIII than the current RC rites, or so I've been told. Well, other than the fact that it is in English, of course. That is my admittedly limited understanding of the differences.

eta - Found a good overview of Roman/Western vs. Eastern - not specifically the Anglican Ordinariate, though - our priest faces the altar, for example, and our architecture and art are far more traditional and ornate than that in this chart.
http://www.stmarysbc.com/faith.html

[Psi U MC Vito]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

We are Roman Catholic - fully Roman Catholic. The Ordinariate ( to which individuals as well as parishes have to be admitted - there is an application process) allow parishes to function together kind of like a diocese, but obviously not bound by geography. The Eastern Rite Catholics ( I assume you are not including the schismatical churches) are in union with the pope but maintain their own rites, have their own patriarchs, etc. I've heard it explained that they are essentially the same as before the great schisms. What they are NOT is Latin - unlike the parishes of the Ordinariate. The churches of the Ordinariate are using the Anglican rite which is actually closer to the rites of the church at the time of Henry VIII than the current RC rites, or so I've been told. Well, other than the fact that it is in English, of course. That is my admittedly limited understanding of the differences.

eta - Found a good overview of Roman/Western vs. Eastern - not specifically the Anglican Ordinariate, though - our priest faces the altar, for example, and our architecture and art are far more traditional and ornate than that in this chart.
http://www.stmarysbc.com/faith.html

I'm actually quite familiar with the difference between East and West. I am a frequent attendee at the local Orthodox mission and actually debated moving from Canterbury to Constantinople for a period of time. And I have seen some very high church Episcopal services where the priest faces the altar. Depending on which rite one uses, both are historically correct. (The Mozarabic rite IIRC has always have the priest face the people).

[SWTXBelle]

Fun fact - when OLOW was just starting out in our small building (which is now our parish hall) we had an altar on wheels; the then-bishop would roll it out when he came so he was facing the congregation, but our priest would roll it back and face it when he was officiating.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by SWTXBelle

Fun fact - when OLOW was just starting out in our small building (which is now our parish hall) we had an altar on wheels; the then-bishop would roll it out when he came so he was facing the congregation, but our priest would roll it back and face it when he was officiating.

LOL.

In these parts, priest-facing-the-altar (ad orientem) is frequently seen even in fairly low Episcopal churches. It's just how the churches were built and "how it's always been done."

[Psi U MC Vito]

I have yet to see a priest stand at the north end of the altar, which is the true tradition lol. What I would love to see is a true Sarum liturgy, but only chance to see that would be WR Orthodox.

[Little Dragon]

Originally Posted by Psi U MC Vito

Any of you familiar with Jesuit spirituality?

Sorry for the delay in my answer, but I haven't been in GC for some time.

I am a Jesuit. Is there anything in specific that you would like to know?

BTW, Jesuit spirituality is Ignatian spirituality shaped by the Jesuit's Constitution. Any person who experiments the spiritual exercises can live the ignatian spirituality. Jesuit spirituality is a subset of it, lived by the Jesuits, who follow the Constitution of the Society of Jesus.

Jesuits are made malleable by Ignatius spiritual exercises (Ignatian Spirituality) and then shaped by Ignatius constitutions to the Society (Jesuit Spirituality).

If you want, you can also PM me.

Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam.

[dekeguy]

[QUOTE=Little Dragon;2126143]Sorry for the delay in my answer, but I haven't been in GC for some time.

I am a Jesuit. Is there anything in specific that you would like to know?

BTW, Jesuit spirituality is Ignatian spirituality shaped by the Jesuit's Constitution. Any person who experiments the spiritual exercises can live the ignatian spirituality. Jesuit spirituality is a subset of it, lived by the Jesuits, who follow the Constitution of the Society of Jesus.

Jesuits are made malleable by Ignatius spiritual exercises (Ignatian Spirituality) and then shaped by Ignatius constitutions to the Society (Jesuit Spirituality).

If you want, you can also PM me.
Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam

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A.M.D.G.

A Jesuit! An active member of the Society!
Thank you for identifying yourself and joining in. From time to time a question regarding our relationship with God arises on the GC board and I often feel out of my depth when attempting to offer a useful comment.
If you are amenable I will refer these comments/questions to you and seek the guidance of one who has far better credentials than this writer.
Oro pro Societas et pro tu!

Peter

[Little Dragon]

Originally Posted by dekeguy

If you are amenable I will refer these comments/questions to you and seek the guidance of one who has far better credentials than this writer.
Oro pro Societas et pro tu!
Peter

Sure, I'll try to help however I can. Although I'm pretty sure your guidance has been on target so far, just let me know.

In Christ,
Fernando, sj

[Psi U MC Vito]

So I ended up ordering the BCP from Ireland today. Also bought a set of Anglican Prayer beads and a book called "The Jesuit Guide to (Almost) Everything." I think I'm done with church related purchases for at least the next 46 days.