Seattle Police Defend Own

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Kevin

She should have been ordered to do something for that. Community service, some time in a detention facility, something. She has to understand that she cannot disrespect authority like that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIVHNylH1Mk

[Kevin]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

I actually to a degree agree with you...what he did was escalate the situation.

Yeah the goal for the officer is to get home alive but I don't agree with not only the punch but he punched a woman.

Once she fought back she was already in the wrong.

If this was a man and not a woman, would public reaction be different?

Why is it okay for a woman to actively assist someone in resisting arrest and arguably not so for a man? Why shouldn't they face the same consequences?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by Kevin

If this was a man and not a woman, would public reaction be different?

Why is it okay for a woman to actively assist someone in resisting arrest and arguably not so for a man? Why shouldn't they face the same consequences?

I'd probably object to the punch still. It's less about the use of force and more about how the force was used.

But I'd lie if I didn't think there was usually something kind of uncomfortable about a man punching a woman in any context. Too much history.

[DaemonSeid]

Go back and look at the video. She pushed off of him, he stepped FORWARD and popped her one in the mouth. The moment he stepped forward he could have taken her down in other means besides straight hitting her in the mouth. He even could have slapped her with an OPEN HANDED slap.

And what Drole said. I am uncomfortable with ANY man punching a woman aggressively as he did.

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Go back and look at the video. She pushed off of him, he stepped FORWARD and popped her one in the mouth. The moment he stepped forward he could have taken her down in other means besides straight hitting her in the mouth. He even could have slapped her with an OPEN HANDED slap.

And what Drole said. I am uncomfortable with ANY man punching a woman aggressively as he did.

You fixed it. But I saw it.
*watching you*

[DaemonSeid]

good grief ...why are you TRYING to pick a fight with me?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

good grief ...why are you TRYING to pick a fight with me?

I'm just giving you grief over spelling my name wrong

[DaemonSeid]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'm just giving you grief over spelling my name wrong

But I fixed it....you need a good slap in the mouth

[AOII Angel]

I'm a little swayed each way by this, but in the end, was she seriously injured? I doubt it. She made the choice to resist a police officer. Sometimes we have to live with the consequences of our actions. In the heat of the moment, what you should do and what actually happens are two different things. The woman was subdued and arrested with little injury. I'd have more of a problem if he'd hit her repeatedly. I also don't think women can claim that men shouldn't hit them unless they want to act in a feminine manner. You jump in a man's face and physically attack him, you open yourself up for the same. She was foolish if she didn't see it coming. That's why I don't pick fights with cops.

[DaemonSeid]

^^^ That's why I am on the fence with this

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

He even could have slapped her with an OPEN HANDED slap.

One thing you have to remember is that when things escalate to "Hands on", Officers have to use the techniques that they were trained in. Cops are trained to strike with a closed fist, not to bitch slap offenders. In fact, had he slapped her the union would most likely not be supporting him as they are.

[dreamseeker]

Originally Posted by Drolefille

I'd probably object to the punch still. It's less about the use of force and more about how the force was used.

But I'd lie if I didn't think there was usually something kind of uncomfortable about a man punching a woman in any context. Too much history.

yeah, and i agree with kevin that he should have used pepper spray or a taser if he had them.

BUT,

Originally Posted by Animate

Sidenote: This shows that women shouldn't put their hands on a man without consequences being expected.

i still agree with this. too many women want to fight like a man with a man, but want to be treated like a woman. i think it was absolutely stupid on the girls' part to resist so much. it gets you nowhere. i mean, did they think that he'd back down and be like "i'm watching you" and just drive away? smh.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by AOII Angel

In the heat of the moment, what you should do and what actually happens are two different things.

I'll keep that in mind the next time a public school teacher forgets all the training and policies and chokes the shit out of a badass student. It ain't no fun if the homies can't have none.

Originally Posted by dreamseeker

too many women want to fight like a man with a man, but want to be treated like a woman.

There was nothing "like a man" about what that teenager was doing. She isn't scrawny but she damn sure wasn't on the level of that male cop.

Her stupidity is amazing but I certainly hope people aren't advocating police simply respond based on people's stupidity or to prove a "fight a man, get hit by a man" point instead of just tasering an aggressor (versus beating with a baton when deemed unnecessary, punching, etc.). It's a slippery slope and when we get to the point of no return, people better not act like they don't know how we got there.

[DaemonSeid]

I still wonder why he didn't use pepper spray unless he didn't have any.

[TonyB06]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

One thing you have to remember is that when things escalate to "Hands on", Officers have to use the techniques that they were trained in. Cops are trained to strike with a closed fist, not to bitch slap offenders. In fact, had he slapped her the union would most likely not be supporting him as they are.

Cops are trained to consider levels of confrontation. Excessive force complaints are a part of their world too.

A palm-heel strike to the chin or torso..., wrist/elbow joint manipulation, leg sweep/take down (any of this could have been done just as easily as a punch for trained law enforcement).

We're all second guessing here, but the officer knew this wasn't a lethal force situation (as evidenced by the fact the he didn't draw down on her). If he had it to do over again, he'd probably have done something other than what he did. l just think it would have been better had a closed fist to the face not been option # 1.

In an actual "confrontation" situation, I'd have no issue with the officer striking an assailant, be it man or woman. A knife or gun in the hand of a woman is just as lethal as in the hand of a man.

You do what you have to to go home at end of the day.