Arizona governor signs immigration bill

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Im talking off the record with a regular Joe, a good chunk of the published quotes are from Police Chiefs, supervisors, union leaders and public affairs spokesmen.

Mostly because that's who's allowed to talk to the press. But their arguments are likely similar. You could always seek them out yourself! I'm sure there's a police message board or two out there

[epchick]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

I don't anticipate any Puerto Ricans to be arrested in AZ, maybe a Northern state with similar laws might think that they are Mexican or South American, but everyone living in an area with a large Latino population should recognize the difference.

How can you tell the difference between a Puerto Rican vs a Mexican vs any other "Latino?" Just because someone might live in an area with a large Latino population doesn't give you "Latinodar" were you just walk up to someone and know their ethnicity. If some people can't even distinguish between Black vs Hispanic, or White vs Hispanic, what makes you think they can distinguish between the different Latino ethnicities. I sure can't.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by epchick

How can you tell the difference between a Puerto Rican vs a Mexican vs any other "Latino?" Just because someone might live in an area with a large Latino population doesn't give you "Latinodar" were you just walk up to someone and know their ethnicity. If some people can't even distinguish between Black vs Hispanic, or White vs Hispanic, what makes you think they can distinguish between the different Latino ethnicities. I sure can't.

I haven't been reading the posts and following the discussion but just want to say:

I agree with the bolded, but it isn't necessarily the same thing as what he's talking about. Hispanics from various countries always think that I'm Hispanic to which I respond with "I'm not, but you think I am because Black and Hispanic are not mutually exclusive." People would have to observe cultural and ethnic identifying markers to attempt to distinguish between Black American and Black Hispanic.

A component of race and ethnicity (which includes whether someone is Puerto Rican, Mexican, Brazilian, etc.) is identifiability. Identifiability means there are physical and cultural features that we attribute to particular races and ethnicities. That doesn't mean that people can identify members of racial and ethnicities with 100% accuracy. It means that people can identify members of different ethnicities (nationalities and cultures) sometimes or more often than not particularly in racially heterogenous areas with less racial segregation (almost everywhere in the world is racially and ethnically segregated, it's just a matter of less segregation). For instance, if you live in an area with a visible Mexican population, you will likely notice when someone doesn't "seem" Mexican. Whether or not they are Mexican can be determined through basic social interaction.

/back to not knowing what the hell you all are talking about

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by epchick

How can you tell the difference between a Puerto Rican vs a Mexican vs any other "Latino?" Just because someone might live in an area with a large Latino population doesn't give you "Latinodar" were you just walk up to someone and know their ethnicity. If some people can't even distinguish between Black vs Hispanic, or White vs Hispanic, what makes you think they can distinguish between the different Latino ethnicities. I sure can't.

Latinodar?? I was speaking in terms of accent/dialect differences between Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, not in terms of appearance.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Latinodar?? I was speaking in terms of accent/dialect differences between Puerto Ricans and Mexicans, not in terms of appearance.

Let's hope they keep talking.

[WaxOff]

The law might be written for Local law Enforcement (the Police) to accept a Driver's license, but they aren't enough according to ICE officials in the case of this truck driver.

Truck Driver Arrested Outside Phoenix, Forced to Show Birth Certificate

The man was born in Fresno, CA. He was stopped at a weigh station and asked for his ID. He produced his CDL and they rejected it. They wanted his birth certificate, which his wife had to go home to get and deliver. They try to hide behind saying he didn't have the proper paperwork to have his truck inspected, but why is it that it was only his birth certificate they were after?

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

Let's hope they keep talking.

Oh trust me, If you even hint that you think a person of PR descent is Mexican ( or vice versa) they will set your ass straight.

[DrPhil]

Originally Posted by PiKA2001

Oh trust me, If you even hint that you think a person of PR descent is Mexican ( or vice versa) they will set your ass straight.

I know but that's not what you were talking about.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I know but that's not what you were talking about.

That is true.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by WaxOff

The law might be written for Local law Enforcement (the Police) to accept a Driver's license, but they aren't enough according to ICE officials in the case of this truck driver.

Truck Driver Arrested Outside Phoenix, Forced to Show Birth Certificate

The man was born in Fresno, CA. He was stopped at a weigh station and asked for his ID. He produced his CDL and they rejected it. They wanted his birth certificate, which his wife had to go home to get and deliver. They try to hide behind saying he didn't have the proper paperwork to have his truck inspected, but why is it that it was only his birth certificate they were after?

I don't know why ICE was harassing this guy nor do I really care but you hit the sweet spot if you think immigration should be inforced by the Feds and Feds only. I don't think that the bill itself is terrible or fatally flawed but The fact that it had to be written in the first place reflects poorly on the Feds ability to enforce it's own immigration laws.

[BabyPiNK_FL]

This irks me. I have heard a similar story before, although apparently this man was possibly involved with stealing a truck: http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/new...immigrant.html

While I'm not Hispanic, I know there are Hispanic people who look similar to me. I'd hate for myself or any other person to be told that almost nothing is enough to prove citizenship/residency. If ICE can't tell based on valid license or ID (a legal U.S. document), something is wrong. I don't like the idea of Americans jumping through hoops to prove their Americans. It doesn't sit well.

[christiangirl]

Lol at Latinodar.

What is ICE?

[Drolefille]

Originally Posted by christiangirl

Lol at Latinodar.

What is ICE?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ICE
Immigrations and Customs Enforcement.

[WaxOff]

On the topic of confusing ethnicities...

I was born in Honduras, that's where I was born. I live in California, where no matter what you say, you're Mexican. You understand that? It doesn't matter what you say. See -- you don't understand that, white people, because wherever you go, you're white. You're here, you're white. You go to L.A., you're white. You go to Denver, you're white. You go to Miami, you're still white. In L.A. I'm a Mexican, In Florida, I'm a Cuban. In New York, I'm a Puerto Rican. And when I come to Canada and I find out I'm an Eskimo.
-Carlos Mencia

[christiangirl]

Thanks, Drole!!

^^^That is sooooo true sometimes. It's the same with other brown peoples. If one is "Black" that will translate into "African American" no matter how many times one might say he or she was born in Jamaica/Barbados/Trinidad/etc.