Tom Delay: People Are Unemployed Because They Want To Be

[Kevin]

Ah yes. The trump card. Giving up.

Pathetic. You're right. Can't win, don't try.

[Little32]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Ah yes. The trump card. Giving up.

Pathetic. You're right. Can't win, don't try.

Wow. You are an ass.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Ah yes. The trump card. Giving up.

Pathetic. You're right. Can't win, don't try.

I guess the silver spoon moved from your mouth to your ass.

[deepimpact2]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

I really hope you're never in the position I was once in (trying to figure out where your next meal was going to come from).

He is setting himself up for it. That's the really sad part


I'm flabbergasted at how someone could actually say that a person should move to another STATE in order to find a job. Especially when you are talking to someone who doesn't have the money to move BECAUSE they aren't working.


This isn't necessarily just silver spoon syndrome. I've had a privileged life, but even I have enough common sense to recognize that this kind of thing isn't always the unemployed person's fault. If someone has only been able to go on 2 interviews after sending their resume to several places, exactly how is that their fault? You can't FORCE someone to interview you.

[PM_Mama00]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Mow some lawns, babysit some kids, borrow some money. Use your resources.

If you have no resources, you are the only person you can blame for that.

Yes because families pay babysitters SO much. And, HELLO, this is Michigan. No lawns to mow right now. And borrow money? FROM?

Kevin, you just don't get it. I tried to give you the benefit of the doubt and you will never get it. It's really sad because I was once in your shoes... wealthy family, somewhere to work after graduation. It really sucks when all that comes crashing down.

[VandalSquirrel]

On a whim I applied for a job that I was quite qualified for last November, with excellent references and experience. I thought I would have an interview and received a rejection letter three months later. I applied for another similar job today and someone I know said I was one of almost 90 applicants. It is for a bit less money than I make now, but has better benefits and hours, so the money situation wouldn't be a hardship. it is in my field, and not a promotion, just a different area of work in the same career.

I have the experience, references, and qualifications, but so do a lot of other people. What I have been seeing is that older workers are coming back to work and since they've been out of the work force they will work less salary wise, and since they own homes here or have family they are a better hire than a single younger woman like me. Why hire me because OMFG I'll get married, have babies and leave. I realize it is hard for people who need health care for their self or a family member, their retirement took a huge hit, or whatever is going on; but they could leave just as easily to move in with their kids and be near their grand kids before I'd ever give birth, let alone get married. Kind of putting a huge kink in saving money for graduate school as I can't move up without the minimum of a Masters because everyone at my level who has worked longer is getting the higher positions that rarely open up.

Oh snap, I should get pregnant, go on welfare (prenantal care covered!), and then sell my baby to a couple and breast milk as dairy products for some extra change. I could probably even make more on the side with people who have a thing for pregnant ladies with some art photography. I better get fertile, fast.

[libramunoz]

Originally Posted by Kevin

Been watching the thread for awhile now. The bolded text is where I'm at. I understand the excuses I'm hearing, but I don't consider them valid. When libra (for example) said she's only had two interviews in the course of three months, yet doesn't feel she's responsible at all for her financial situation, I understood that she felt as if she had no responsibility for her situation, but I disagreed.

I can see that this is a very personal and emotionally charged topic. And it's not that I don't understand that these folks are experiencing real emotional pain -- I get that. But at some point, we all have to take responsibility for our actions and inactions.

What's funny is that they actually think what you or I do is even relevant to the conversation. Here we are trying to make the very valid point that if one is out of work for more than a year, (or a lengthy period of time along those lines) that they might bear some responsibility for that -- not an earth shattering proposition.

-- and if you're really smart, be like PIKA and live in a place where the jobs are, like Texas, Oklahoma, D.C., the Dakotas, etc.

Kevin, I never said that I didn't feel responsible for MY financial situation!

What I was frankly saying was that when you don't have a job, you worry about how you are going to pay YOUR bills.

Now as far as me feeling that I have no responsiblity for my situation, like I said before, I didn't tell my ex-boss to steal 8 million dollars and I didn't tell her to bilk Medicaid and Medicare. THAT was somthing that I HAD NO CONTROL OVER!

I'm sorry if you REFUSE to understand this. It's something that you NEED to deal with, NOT ME.

Originally Posted by Kevin

-- and if you're really smart, be like PIKA and live in a place where the jobs are, like Texas, Oklahoma, D.C., the Dakotas, etc.

Dude, I LIVE in TEXAS already. The unemployment rate is 8.2% (just got the paper today) and sorry, the jobs aren't here either.

But more to the point, I'm sorry, if you don't have employment where you are at, what would prompt you to just up and jump somewhere else if you don't have a job awaiting you there? Yes it can be and has been done before, but people usually don't leave one job before they have another. That's just what "normal" people do, it is an old saying.

What you are seeming to be unable or unwilling to do is understand that people are trying and doing what they can, yet they cannot find full time work.

Learn how to stop living in your own world and look at the situation around you, you might just see things for yourself. But then again, you'd have to remove the blinders from covering your own eyes to your ass.

[PiKA2001]

Originally Posted by LatinaAlumna

Don't you love how PikA and Kapital feel the need to post their resumes on a message board? They must feel VERY pressed to prove their worth. I can just imagine how insecure they are in real life!

Insecure? Not at all. I hardly posted what you'd call a resume either. I was just explaining to your hideously pretentious ass that one doesn't need a "top tier" education to make it in life. By the way, how's that Stanford MBA in basket weaving treating ya these days?

No really, since you got all butt hurt from my iniatial post I know you have an unmarketable degree LA. What is it in? Womens studies, maybe Chicano studies, art history, Klingon? Tell us!!

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

So? With all that education, you should be able to find a skill to market yourself with, and also know how to market yourself effectively. Sounds to me like I hit a nerve and you can't handle it.



Believe it or not, I actually am doing it while online; I'm just on lunch break for the moment.

Dang it! I saw that you still posted after this, I was so hoping you choked on your lunch...

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by knight_shadow

You didn't think anyone would think "I am without a job" meant "I have no job?"

Interesting.

OK! That's exactly what I concluded.

[Prettyface08]

Originally Posted by KAPital PHINUst

I think that what a lot of folks here are not getting is this:

Maurice Phipps (Laurence Fishburne) said it best in the movie Higher Learning talking with Malik Williams (Omar Epps):

"You must rid yourself of the attitude that the world owes you something. It breeds laziness."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9MK2OVfG1ds
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqG8-...eature=related

LA, I have nothing to prove to you or anyone else here, contrary to what you may think. I know for a fact my talents and abilites I can showcase to the marketplace speaks for itself. If anything, I think all the scenarios and anecdotes I am hearing about why folks here cannot find work and they have so many degrees says more about them having something to prove to the world and why the world owes them something.

Americans need to drop the entitlement mentality. We are barely entitled to the air we breathe, much less anything else we are provided in life.

ButchooooSTILLaintgotnojobTommy.

[ADqtPiMel]

Originally Posted by Kevin

-- and if you're really smart, be like PIKA and live in a place where the jobs are, like Texas, Oklahoma, D.C., the Dakotas, etc.

DC is better than a lot of places right now, but it's still not great. My husband graduated law school last May -- his original job offer (from the summer after 2L year) got rescinded when the company started to flounder in the economy. He finished in the top 10% of his class, was editor of a journal, had a ton of internships and fellowships, and is networking like hell -- and he still hasn't found anything, and has only had a few interviews. We're lucky that he was able to get a retail job that gets him close to 40 hours a week, and I make a good amount of money for my field and we have health insurance. He's also clerking for free at the Superior Court and doing legal research for professors. The only attorneys from his class that he knows that have jobs are the two women who graduated #1 and #2, and several people had internships with judges who then took them on as full-time clerks.

[Kevin]

ADqPiMel -- why isn't he doing solo work? He can get himself on the list to be appointed in criminal cases, handle conflicts for the federal public defender, take his own criminal, divorce, DUI cases, etc.?

I'm sure OKC is a bit of a different ballgame, but a lot of my classmates who also graduated last May are hanging out shingles and doing just fine.

Hell -- lawyers in this economy have a hell of a leg up on everyone else. Bankruptcy (and other things) are booming right now.

BigLaw isn't doing so hot right now because a lot of their bigger clients are using the economy as an excuse to restructure payment terms. Can't blame 'em, what some of those partners were/are billing for is damn near criminal.

[DaemonSeid]

^^^ Dude...after reading the last 2 pages or so I would have thought that you would have walked away but you are really intent on going down with this ship.

As a lawyer, you should know that more than 3 or 4 different people from different walks of life in the same situation aren't going to tell you the SAME lie.


Just let it go and stop making yourself a bigger ass than you are altho...right about now, I'm not sure how that's possible.

Oh yeah and that move to DC bullshit?

We're at 12.1% thanks.

[Kevin]

4th Quarter, 2009, D.C. had 145 job openings per 1000 people. Highest number of openings in the country per capita.