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Old 05-10-2002, 04:22 PM
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Red face Teacher Strikes Back

DIANE MONTELIUS was stressed.
The 31-year-old rookie teacher was so upset after a run-in with some rowdy students at Philadelphia High School for Girls in March that she left the school crying and didn't return for two weeks, students said. On Wednesday, she warned students in her freshman world-history class that if she caught them doing assignments other than hers, she would burn them up.
She kept her word.

Shortly after 9 a.m. yesterday, Montelius snatched a Metro newspaper from the hands of one of her students, dropped it in her empty metal trash can and set it on fire in front of 25 stunned students, police said. Once Montelius saw the flames reaching out over the rim of the trash can and smoke filling the room, she threw water from a flower pot onto the flames, said Lt. Winton Singletary of Northwest Detectives. By the time firefighters and members of the city fire marshal's office
arrived a few minutes later, the blaze was out and a smoky odor filled the room. One student complained of smoke inhalation and was going to be taken to a family doctor, police said.

The fire was ruled an arson, and Montelius was awaiting arraignment last night on charges of arson and causing or risking a catastrophe. "She seemed very stressed," said Cassandra Suarez, 18, a senior at the school, on Broad Street near Olney Avenue. "It's not that she's not a nice person; it's just she's not equipped to handle us. These girls can be rowdy."

Authorities were horrified by what could have happened. "You've got kids in a crowded school, and you can cause all kinds of injury
and panic," Singletary said. "If something in that trash can had ignited or exploded, we would have had a serious situation here."
Capt. Armand Gershbach, of the fire marshal's office, said that situation easily could have occurred because several cardboard boxes were right above the trash can, which was in front of a radiator. "There was potential risk for an extension of the fire from the waste can," he said. "This could have easily gotten out of control." Paul Hanson, a school district spokesman, said Montelius would be assigned to a nonteaching position (not in a school) after she makes bail. "The school district is shocked and appalled by such a total failure of professionalism and by this teacher's utter disregard for the safety of her students," he said. "We will pursue all our options vigorously." Those options include dismissal, he added.

Ted Kirsch, president of the Philadelphia Federation of Teachers, could not be reached for comment about Montelius last night.
Another teacher from the school, who asked that her name not be used, admitted the incident was "really, really poor judgment on the part of the teacher" but said the media was blowing it out of proportion. "She's not an ax murderer," she said. "It's my understanding the fire was out when the administration became aware of it. There was no fire drill in the school. It should have been handled, but it shouldn't have been the lead story on the 6 o'clock news."

Gershbach said more than 145 fires have been set in city schools this school year, an increase from previous years. He said there were sometimes two or three a day, and now someone from the fire marshal's office goes on each call. Fire Commissioner Harold Hairston is supposed to address this issue today at a news conference, he said. The Girls High fire, which did not activate smoke alarms, caused about $250 worth of smoke and fire damage in the ground-floor classroom, officials said.

Montelius, of Morrisville, Bucks County, began working for the district in 1999, Hanson said. She took a leave of absence in 2000 and began teaching social studies at Girls High last October, he said. He did not know where she worked in 1999 or why she had taken a leave of absence. Students in her homeroom class said she never seemed to be able to handle the students.
In fact, right before Easter break in March she got into a confrontation with a group of rowdy girls, said Patricia Davis, 18, another senior. "She started to cry and left the school," Davis said. "She didn't come back for two weeks." The girls said she rarely arrived by 8:05 a.m. when school started so they
often got the key to their classroom from another teacher to let themselves in. "She'd make it in by 8:15 or so," said Catrina Cope, 18, another senior. "One time we asked her why she was always so late every day. She said she lived two hours away."
While the girls said students were shocked by what happened, Cope said she felt sorry for Montelius. "She's really nice," she said. "She just wasn't able to handle some of the girls that come through here." Added Suarez: "I don't think she's a bad person. I just think she had a bad day. A really bad day."
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Old 05-11-2002, 04:38 PM
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Red face She wasn't playing at all! Poor thing!

I don't say that I agree...but I UNDERSTAND.

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Old 05-13-2002, 03:54 AM
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I do understand!!!!!! I teach 6th and 7th grade!!!
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Old 05-13-2002, 07:50 AM
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I TOTALLY understand.

I just know, though, that whenever I feel like setting it off that it is time for me to walk down the hall because a job is a terrible thing to waste.
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Old 05-13-2002, 01:01 PM
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teacher?

Maybe she shouldn't be teaching at all. I graduated from Girls High in 1985 and believe me it is not that crazy. Girls' is one of the top academic public schools in the city so many of these students are intelligent and conscientious w/ little or no behavioral problems. She needs to find another profession!
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Old 05-13-2002, 02:52 PM
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1985? These kids are TOTALLY different

Now you do realize that THAT was over 17 years ago?

I'm sure many of the people who attended the high school where I teach 17 years ago can't "see" how the kids behave TODAY. I tell you, it's truly different. You all would not believe some of the things we see and hear DAILY.
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Old 05-13-2002, 03:32 PM
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Re: 1985? These kids are TOTALLY different

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Now you do realize that THAT was over 17 years ago?

I'm sure many of the people who attended the high school where I teach 17 years ago can't "see" how the kids behave TODAY. I tell you, it's truly different. You all would not believe some of the things we see and hear DAILY.
I agree with you 2D. Soror McCoy, I know your high school has prestige attached to it but even with prestige and intelligence and high standards, there are still bad apples in the bunch. Not only that but there are some teachers who are known to be targets for bad behavior. From the article, it sounds like Ms. Arson is one who might not have the rapport with the students nor the ability to handle bad behavior.
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Old 05-14-2002, 08:32 PM
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Old 05-14-2002, 08:44 PM
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Re: teacher?

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Maybe she shouldn't be teaching at all. She needs to find another profession!
I agree. I graduated from High School only 3 years ago (yes, I know I'm a youngin'), and it's sad to say but some of those kids were BAD! Not all of them, but a handful of them were troublemakers. Yet, as a teacher you are forced (somewhat) to put up with certain things...I WISH she was my teacher and she did that to me (mind you, I was one of the good kids so I would have been an innocent bystander)...My Mom would've had her neck...She obviously needs to go work in a flower shop or a garden or something that requires a very LOW level of stress...

But I do sympathize with the woman...
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Old 05-14-2002, 09:55 PM
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Angry

Well I wouldn't set anything on fire but -- here is good example of the type of stress that Educators are under..
Today I took the day off, to take my daughter to the doctor.

This afternoon afterschool-- I stopped by to pick up somethings-- my classroom is in shambles. Books ripped and torn up on the floor.. and that is not he half.

The books were ones that I PURCHASED because they seem to hate the school's selection.. (at least $150 worth)
Software on my computers has been uninstalled and the little balls from the mouses are all missing.
ALL of Which I am going to held accountable for at the end of the year!!!!


When I reprimand them-- there will be at least 3 or 4 sets of parents that say their child was not involved and how dare I sy anything to their little darling...



So to say the least many times our hands are tied!!

And I will say this...I DO NEED a Psychatric evaluation--because I will be there next year doing a job that most people could not handle nor would they take the pay cut to do...

* Remember that teachers make all other professions possible!!!
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Old 05-14-2002, 10:03 PM
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The books were ones that I PURCHASED because they seem to hate the school's selection.. (at least $150 worth)
Software on my comuters as uninstalled and the litlle balls from the mouses are all missing.
ALL of Which I am going to held accountable for at the end of the year!!!!

And I will say this...I DO NEED a Psychatric evaluation--because I will be there next year doing a job that most people could not handle nor would they take the pay cut to do...

* Remember that teachers make all other professions possible!!!
Hear Hear on TEACHERS making all other professions possible!!

Girl they do that mouse mess at my school then complain when they have a computer with no mouse.

Our kids are also into porn sites or saving a porn pic as wallpaper. These little suckers have figured out how to get around all of the firewalls. I want them to teach me so I can play Tetris @ lunch.

Anyway, the kids of today are not the kids of yesterday.

I have this little HUSSY (she is) who comes to my class late regularly. Today she came to class 35 minutes late, mind you this class is 45 minutes long so WTF!! Last week I wrote her up and instead of in school for a whole day, she got 3 20 minute detentions. Today when I wrote her up I told how when I asked her why she was late, the little HUSSY @ me and shrugged me off. I would have liked to set fire to her azz with a belt but alas I cannot do that.

My 4th block (last class of the day) makes my NETHER REGIONS PULSATE EVERY DAY. There are some really smart kids in there who I love but then I have some others who make me vow to never have children. Oh and these are both white and Black children. For anyone who has told you WHITE CHILDREN are angelic -- BUUUUUUUUUUULL!!! Those mofos can be some of the worst ones. Trust me on that one.

**calming down**
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Old 05-14-2002, 10:05 PM
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* Remember that teachers make all other professions possible!!! [/B]

I agree. That's what parents should instill into their children to respect their teachers. Loviest 95, the parents should pay for the books and other items damaged.
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Old 05-15-2002, 10:41 AM
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I would have liked to set fire to her azz with a belt but alas I cannot do that.

CTFU at that!

ANd I agree that teaching is one of the most important and least appreciated of all professions. WHere would any of us be if it weren't for school and for teachers? I don't understand the mentality of these kids OR their parents these days. It makes me sad for all of us.
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Old 05-15-2002, 11:17 AM
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[b]I have started locking them out of class when they are late-- if they want to learn they will be on time!!![b]

And for those parents with a problem with what I do I say "What would your boss say if you were 15 minutes late everyday?" many of them can't even answer because--Surprise-- they don't work they chill at the house all day and only come out to cause me problems

Can you tell it's the end of the year-- and I am at the end of my patience for mess!!

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Old 05-15-2002, 06:09 PM
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CT4:

I have started locking them out of class when they are late-- if they want to learn they will be on time!!!

And for those parents with a problem with what I do I say "What would your boss say if you were 15 minutes late everyday?" many of them can't even answer because--Surprise-- they don't work they chill at the house all day and only come out to cause me problems

Can you tell it's the end of the year-- and I am at the end of my patience for mess!!
I survived my field trip today to see the musical of The Secret Garden.

Part of the problem is that parents have stopped teaching their children that not only is education a privilege (not everyone gets it) but they have also been deprogrammed so to speak to not take full advantage of the education that is offered to them FREE of charge.

Please do not get me started on how students don't "do libraries" anymore.

PARENTS and NON PARENTS who deal with children: Teach them that coming to school to play is annoying to teachers (trying to put this nicely). Tell them to come to school and take their
education seriously.

Loviest, 15 more days for me! How about you?
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