NFL Player pulled over while Mom in law Dies. - Page 2

DaemonSeid · #16 03-27-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

If there was a legal remedy that would lie because the defendant acted like an enormous douchebag, Moats could retire from the NFL right now.

???

really???

Kevin · #17 03-27-2009, 12:42 AM

By defendant, of course, I mean the officer as defendant and Moats as plaintiff in a civil suit.

RU OX Alum · #18 03-27-2009, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

Because even a "pig" is entitled to due process -- a fair hearing before his pay is cut or he is fired. Which I hope he is.

I wouldn't get "due process" if I acted like that to a customer at my job. I'd be fired out-right. He's a public official who is a detriment to the city he works for and the citizens who pay his salary.

So, the family of the dead woman is still paying his salary (assuming they live in the same municipality).

KSigkid · #19 03-27-2009, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

Forget the story....the video is damning all by itself.

and MSN is in bed with Fix News...so of course the language will be 'different'.

Just read it here (AP posted it) and they left out what else transpired (the mom dying after Moats made it in and etc) and other things....wow.

Haha, woah there...let's slow up the right wing media conspiracy train just a tad.

All of the MSN stories I saw were by the AP...so it looks like they were just using wire feeds as well, not their own writers.

It looks like what the officer did was wrong, and after the hearings and process is over, he should be out of a job.

DaemonSeid · #20 03-27-2009, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

Haha, woah there...let's slow up the right wing media conspiracy train just a tad.

All of the MSN stories I saw were by the AP...so it looks like they were just using wire feeds as well, not their own writers.

It looks like what the officer did was wrong, and after the hearings and process is over, he should be out of a job.

Yep...by a tad...and that's all is needed...

But again, I am not even concerned about the write up, the video IS the story.

Kevin · #21 03-27-2009, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

It looks like what the officer did was wrong, and after the hearings and process is over, he should be out of a job.

I doubt it. Police officers routinely do much worse than act like douchebags. The detention was 100% legal. 13 minutes for a traffic stop where a warrant check is run doesn't sound horribly out of the ordinary. A police officer is not required to be sensitive and understanding of the reason someone committed a crime. Obviously, the officer was a complete, reprehensible asshole. This might be something which prevents him from being promoted, but as to the loss of his job? My guess is that he has to attend some sort of sensitivity training or something to that effect. I'd be really surprised if he lost his job.

I'm by no means excusing his behavior, it's just that I've seen police officers get away with much, much worse.

KSigkid · #22 03-27-2009, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin

I doubt it. Police officers routinely do much worse than act like douchebags. The detention was 100% legal. 13 minutes for a traffic stop where a warrant check is run doesn't sound horribly out of the ordinary. A police officer is not required to be sensitive and understanding of the reason someone committed a crime. Obviously, the officer was a complete, reprehensible asshole. This might be something which prevents him from being promoted, but as to the loss of his job? My guess is that he has to attend some sort of sensitivity training or something to that effect. I'd be really surprised if he lost his job.

I'm by no means excusing his behavior, it's just that I've seen police officers get away with much, much worse.

Oh absolutely - when I say "should be out of a job," I mean in the sense that his behavior has no place on the police force. I wouldn't be surprised though if he got away with some slap on the wrist, though.

Munchkin03 · #23 03-27-2009, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

and MSN is in bed with Fix News...so of course the language will be 'different'.

Seriously? MSNBC is the polar opposite of Fox News. Not that I like either of them, but making ill-informed statements like that reeks of Tom Earp.

DaemonSeid · #24 03-27-2009, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Munchkin03

Seriously? MSNBC is the polar opposite of Fox News. Not that I like either of them, but making ill-informed statements like that reeks of Tom Earp.

No, not really, I wasn't.

MysticCat · #25 03-27-2009, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by RU OX Alum

I wouldn't get "due process" if I acted like that to a customer at my job. I'd be fired out-right. He's a public official who is a detriment to the city he works for and the citizens who pay his salary.

Exactly. You work for a private employer, which can pretty much do what it wants to do within the bounds of its contract with you.

He, on the other hand, works for the government. (He is a public employee, not a public official). Under the United States Constitution (and I'm betting the Texas Constitution as well), the government cannot depive any citizen, including one that works for it, of property (including salary) without due process of law, which means at the least a fair hearing with an opportunity to be heard.

KSigkid · #26 03-27-2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by DaemonSeid

No, not really, I wasn't.

How is MSN in bed with Fox News, exactly? I know MSN carries content from Fox Sports, but I didn't think there was a relationship between the news organizations.

DaemonSeid · #27 03-27-2009, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by KSigkid

How is MSN in bed with Fox News, exactly? I know MSN carries content from Fox Sports, but I didn't think there was a relationship between the news organizations.

That was the only connection, but again...I was not serious about the comment.

Little32 · #28 03-27-2009, 03:19 PM

Finally had time to watch the video. Disgusting.

RU OX Alum · #29 03-27-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MysticCat

Exactly. You work for a private employer, which can pretty much do what it wants to do within the bounds of its contract with you.

He, on the other hand, works for the government. (He is a public employee, not a public official). Under the United States Constitution (and I'm betting the Texas Constitution as well), the government cannot depive any citizen, including one that works for it, of property (including salary) without due process of law, which means at the least a fair hearing with an opportunity to be heard.

officer=/=offical? either way, the man he stopped still has to pay taxes, and those taxes are being used to pay this guy, while he's on leave.

he is not charged with a crime (that i know of) so how does due process come in?

thetalady · #30 03-28-2009, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by AKA_Monet

I though Dallas cops were better than that... Well, let's say Irving, 'cuz I am unsure, but it looked like Irving to me. But if she was in Parkland...

Zale Lipshy or St. Paul, yeah!

For as many people who have driven under "the suspicion", I still like this video.

MOST Dallas cops ARE better than this!!

I live here where this happened. The hospital is Baylor Plano, a very nice hospital in a wealthy suburb of Dallas. No where near Parkland in many ways! The officer was right to do what he did for the first couple of minutes of the stop.

At the point at which a Plano police officer & the nurse came out to confirm the information to the Dallas officer, it should have been O-V-E-R. The Dallas officer has apologized, but there is just no way to apologize for this behavior.

The Dallas police chief, Kunkle, will absolutely fire this moron as soon as the obligatory official review is over. He does NOT like being embarrassed like this.

Anytime a boss's boss's boss's boss has to apologize publically for an employee's actions, you can be sure that it is a "resume generating event".