Masonic Organizations & Hazing

[AlphaSigOU]

Originally posted by 33girl
I think that Acacia Fraternity was somehow associated with Masonry, to what degree I'm unsure. But that was a looooong time ago.

Acacia Fraternity was founded by Master Masons, and until the 1920s required membership in the Masonic fraternity before joining. Today, Acacia chapters are sponsored or supported by local Masonic Lodges in the university community.

[nyrdrms]

I've just read over this entire thread and found it interesting how everyone seems to have their own beliefs concerning the Masons, just as they do with Greek organizations. I think the thing that is most important here is to remember that we all take offense to the stereotypes of Greek life... yet so many still have stereotypes concerning other organizations with similarities.

I am Catholic, I'm in a sorority, and I was a member of Job's Daughter's when I lived in California. Each of these institutions has made me who I am today...and none of it involved hazing in any way.

[AKPsiZY]

as a mason, i can tell you that what you said about "the function oftheir secret oath is to get rid of organized religion (all religion) and live in a natural state without any form of law whether it be religious or governed" is complete garbage. whoever told you that is completely misinterpreting what they heard, or just being lied to.

masonry is the cornerstone upon which america's freedom of religion was based, and as well, no athiest may become a mason.

so why would an organization that wants to 'get rid of all religion' require a belief in God? seems odd doesnt it?

Originally posted by alphabebe
yes, there were changes with vatican II, however it does not rule out the masons. the function oftheir secret oath is to get rid of organized religion (all religion) and live in a natural state without any form of law whether it be religious or governed. the only reason we know this is from people who left the order. they do have many beneficial practices within their order, however their basis is quite different from a sorority or fraternity. thanks for asking!!!

[AKPsiZY]

oh, and there is no masonic hazing, as well.

masons are strictly business in their processes.

Originally posted by nyrdrms
I've just read over this entire thread and found it interesting how everyone seems to have their own beliefs concerning the Masons, just as they do with Greek organizations. I think the thing that is most important here is to remember that we all take offense to the stereotypes of Greek life... yet so many still have stereotypes concerning other organizations with similarities.

I am Catholic, I'm in a sorority, and I was a member of Job's Daughter's when I lived in California. Each of these institutions has made me who I am today...and none of it involved hazing in any way.

yippee! another california Job's Daughter! Which Bethel did you belong to?

[AlphaSigOU]

Brother Dekeguy... what lodge are you in? Mine's Plano #768, Grand Lodge of Texas (though my mother lodge is Triune #15, San Antonio, TX). I'm also Eastern Star as well. (Plano #703)

[AlphaSigOU]

Originally posted by Glitter650
a masonic organization is any organization which is affiliated with the Masons, Eastern Star, Rainbow girls, order of Demolay, White Shrine, and many many more. They each have a different and unique history but they each started somehow because of a link to the Masons.

Quick guide to Masonic and Masonic-affiliate organizations:

International Order of the Rainbow for Girls (IORG): Open to girls 11-20, do not require Masonic parental affiliation.

International Association of Job's Daughters (IOJD): Open to girls 11-20, requires Masonic parental affiliation for membership.

Order of Demolay: Open to boys 12-21, does not require Masonic parental affiliation.

Order of the Eastern Star: Open to women 18 years and older, who have Masonic family ties or if no Masonic ties, be at least a majority member of Rainbow for at least 3 years. Males must be Master Masons in good standing.

White Shrine of Jerusalem: Open to men and women 18 and older, requirements same as OES except for Rainbow clause.

Blue (Symbolic) Lodge: Open to men at least 21 years of age (some jurisdictions allow entry at 19 or 18). Must be of good character and apply of his own free will and accord. Three degrees: Entered Apprentice, Fellowcraft and Master Mason.

Scottish Rite: Open to all Master Masons, confers the 4th through the 32nd degree. Being a 32nd degree Scottish Rite Mason does not make you a higher-degree Mason than one who only completed the first three degrees in Blue Lodge.

York Rite: Open to all Master Masons, confers degrees in three distinct bodies: Chapter of Royal Arch Masons, Council of Royal and Select Masters and Order of Knights Templar. You must profess a belief in the Christian religion to become a Knight Templar.

Shrine: Open to all Master Masons (previously, one had to either be a 32-degree Scottish Rite or Knight Templar in the York Rite before becoming a member). Famous for their Shrine Hospitals.

Grotto: Open to all Master Masons. Primary philanthropy is dentistry for the handicapped.

National Sojourners/Heroes of '76: Open to Master Masons who are current, retired or former officers or senior non-commissioned officers of the U.S. Armed Forces (though honorary membership is conferred on those who do not meet the membership requirements). Heroes of '76 is a 'side degree' performed by members who wear Revolutionary War costumes.

[DeltaGammaRocks]

I was a rainbow girl in California

[100thdegree]

Shriners have to first be 32nd degree masons to be enter the Shrine. The masonic court allegedly rules on people and enters decrees. I have been told If you become an outcast no Mason or Shirner is allowed to render aid to you forever.
What happens if you go to a masonic doctor as an outcast or someone labled an A M (anti-mason)?
Do they treat the symptoms or cure you, and why do they always ask after, do you fill I have aided you.

Has anyone labled an A M noticed strange treatment by those who allegedly are shriners? Some are covert members (not true members).

The fix one thing, break a few more things treatment?

Anyway, my family is many generation masonic. Being long-term Government I am not to get involved in organizations that hold secrets outside of Government organizations, or any organization that would lend itself to the appearance of bias.
The oaths to believe a fellow mason and shriner over all non-member's word creates the appearance of bias so is taboo for me. Their oath to rush to the aid of a master mason, and to aid a brother or sister mason
(fly to their aid) and protect them in every case except murder and treason gives the appearance of obstruction of Justice, so that again makes it taboo.

As to the question of hazing of new members, all that is not need to know. The leadership at the National Grand Lodge in D.C. said that they cannot tell the secrets of the Masonic order but do not care if people find them out on their own.
Most of us, including myself do not want to know their secrets, and only when people have claimed injustice at the hands of a masonic member is it required and necessary to understand the truth for justice sake. American justice system could not work without officers, agents and all others in the Legal system of the United States need to have a working knowledge of any oaths, or organization biases to avoid potential obstruction to Justice.

This is all the allegations that are discussed at street level and you would need to research it on for yourself from the volumes of data provided by the Masonic order, the Order of the Eastern Star, Daughters of Job, Rainbow for Girls, Dem...for boys, and various under groups with in the masonic order, and through deep cover agents within the ranks, if any.

[preciousjeni]

[DrPhil]

[KSigkid]

Originally Posted by preciousjeni

Originally Posted by DrPhil

I think the reason we don't understand that post is that we didn't have our helping of crazy this morning with breakfast.

[MysticCat]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I think the reason we don't understand that post is that we didn't have our helping of crazy this morning with breakfast.

[chopper599]

Originally Posted by KSigkid

I think the reason we don't understand that post is that we didn't have our helping of crazy this morning with breakfast.

Sorry, but why is that being a 32 Degree Mason?

If you are not even a Blue Lodge Brother what do you know?

Masonic does not beleive in hazing and a person has to be asked to become a member not the other way around. You do not join, you are asked to join by some one who feels you are worthy.
Yes from from what I have seen, there are glos who were founded by the Masonic, Acacia being one.

While there are differnet levlels at each Degree they must be earned.
I was a member of LXA who much of the teachings came from the Masons, I find nothing wrong with that as many greek organizations have done before me and you.
I find some of the things posted here inane and unknowing.

[knight_shadow]

Originally Posted by chopper599

Sorry, but why is that being a 32 Degree Mason?

If you are not even a Blue Lodge Brother what do you know?

Masonic does not beleive in hazing and a person has to be asked to become a member not the other way around. You do not join, you are asked to join by some one who feels you are worthy.
Yes from from what I have seen, there are glos who were founded by the Masonic, Acacia being one.

While there are differnet levlels at each Degree they must be earned.
I was a member of LXA who much of the teachings came from the Masons, I find nothing wrong with that as many greek organizations have done before me and you.
I find some of the things posted here inane and unknowing.