Academic performance and grades

[APOBee7519]

Have some of you out there notice that some frat and sorrority members had barely graduated college by the seat of their pants due to their poor grades and academic performance. I knew someone who pulled two quarters back to back taking a total of 8 classes to graduate since he was threatened with dismissal for having a low gpa for the 3rd consecutive quarter in a row. He originally started as a Sig Ep out of Texas and the problem was that he seemed do more socializing than actually going to class.

This almost got him thrown out and no university or college would take him since he applied to other schools in Texas and elsewhere he was denied admission for poor grades. A small private college in Lake Forest, IL was the only college that would take him with the grades he had because had he been declined for admission he would have had to spend a year and a half in a junior college to clean up his grades and then re-apply to a university.

Do some organizations make it clear that their members are to maintain their grades to stay on the active member list while they are in school? It seems like grades don't matter to some people when in fact it does since I am not sure if I am right, but members who stay in the campus frat or sorrority house have to maintain their grades or else they have to move out? Half the people I knew in frats and sorrorities seemed to have low grades by the time they graduated few ever had anything past a 3.0.

Is peer pressure so bad for some people that they can't tell their friends no to hanging out and drinking when they have exams and quizzes to prepare for in school? I seriously think it is because this guy I knew didnt seem to have the incentive to tell people no when he had to prepare for tests in class(he's an accounting major) and some of the classes he had were pretty intense. I also heard from people he lived with in the dorm that he an endless stream of girls coming in and out of his room at all hours of the day and night. He was always nice to me and when we talked or hung together he wasnt goofy or silly, but his involvement with his frat made him rather distant to where he would choose hanging with knuckleheads and groupies over those who had their acts together and were mature.

It seemed the only time this guy actually got his head straight on something was when he passed the licensure exam on the first shot for his job and that was rare since people with a party mentality tend to have to repeat classes or licensure exams because they can't keep their focus straight. Yet how do organizations handle members who have a hard time staying focused on their studies and maintaining passing grades?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally Posted by APOBee7519

Do some organizations make it clear that their members are to maintain their grades to stay on the active member list while they are in school?

As far as I know, most chapters of most organizations have an academic performance requirement to remain active. If not, most schools have them so you will not have a 1.5 and be allowed to be active. More than that, if a chapter's cumulative is low the chapter can be placed on academic probation by the school and/or the organization. And this of course can end in the chapter not being allowed to operate for a period of time.

[fantASTic]

We have them, too, and we also have a requirement to join. However, it HAS happened that people pledge with a reasonable GPA and then spend the rest of their Greek collegiate experience on academic probation. A girl in my chapter is that way. It sucks for her, but hey, you need to get that GPA up, right?

[AGDee]

I know two non-greeks who got kicked out of school for bad grades. Doesn't anybody make those non-greeks study???

[KSUViolet06]

I think every sorority has its own policies in place to deal with poor grades. In short, sisters in my chapter who failed to make grades were usually not allowed to attend formal or semi-formal, or even take a Little Sister.

[Tom Earp]

All schools require at least a 2.0 GPA.

Most GLOs require a higher standard to stay either as a recruit or an active.

I always thought going to college was to graduate, not join a GLO!

[APOBee7519]

I agree with all the responses that grades are important because academic performance speaks volumes when you get out in the workforce. This guy I know acts very distant and the only time he's ever speaking to me is when those morons in his frat that he hangs with are not around. To know that he had to pour a couple grand into 8 classes to graduate by the end of the quarter could have been avoided had he had his priorities straight. People who choose to socialize more than going to class pay the price in the end when they're dismissed from school or having to take out additional loans to cover the cost of repeating classes. This guy I know could have been an honor student, but he choose to hang with drunken idiots than to really apply himself to school. Plus not to mention lowering his standards for party girls who could be the next generation for Girls Gone Wild.

The sad thing is that when I saw this guy's photo album on MySpace he was posing in pictures drinking out of pizza parlor pitchers and standing with a group of his frat bros over a pile of beer bottles, cans, and other liquor containers as if it's still cool to act immature when you're almost 30 flipping years old.

[Tom Earp]

Originally Posted by APOBee7519

I agree with all the responses that grades are important because academic performance speaks volumes when you get out in the workforce. This guy I know acts very distant and the only time he's ever speaking to me is when those morons in his frat that he hangs with are not around. To know that he had to pour a couple grand into 8 classes to graduate by the end of the quarter could have been avoided had he had his priorities straight. People who choose to socialize more than going to class pay the price in the end when they're dismissed from school or having to take out additional loans to cover the cost of repeating classes. This guy I know could have been an honor student, but he choose to hang with drunken idiots than to really apply himself to school. Plus not to mention lowering his standards for party girls who could be the next generation for Girls Gone Wild.

The sad thing is that when I saw this guy's photo album on MySpace he was posing in pictures drinking out of pizza parlor pitchers and standing with a group of his frat bros over a pile of beer bottles, cans, and other liquor containers as if it's still cool to act immature when you're almost 30 flipping years old.

Sorry, but this person sounds like either a Maron or has some kind of other problems.

Sounds like you should distance him away from yourself and soon.

Would say He was not APO member.

Yes I am and damn proud of what I did with APO and I too just barely graduated! But I got the sheep skin that said I did!

[ree-Xi]

Originally Posted by Tom Earp

Sorry, but this person sounds like either a Maron or has some kind of other problems.

Sounds like you should distance him away from yourself and soon.

Would say He was not APO member.

Yes I am and damn proud of what I did with APO and I too just barely graduated! But I got the sheep skin that said I did!

Forgive me if I am incorrect, but didn't you say that you were on academic probation for the duration of your college career?

[EE-BO]

Originally Posted by APOBee7519

I agree with all the responses that grades are important because academic performance speaks volumes when you get out in the workforce. This guy I know acts very distant and the only time he's ever speaking to me is when those morons in his frat that he hangs with are not around. To know that he had to pour a couple grand into 8 classes to graduate by the end of the quarter could have been avoided had he had his priorities straight. People who choose to socialize more than going to class pay the price in the end when they're dismissed from school or having to take out additional loans to cover the cost of repeating classes. This guy I know could have been an honor student, but he choose to hang with drunken idiots than to really apply himself to school. Plus not to mention lowering his standards for party girls who could be the next generation for Girls Gone Wild.

The sad thing is that when I saw this guy's photo album on MySpace he was posing in pictures drinking out of pizza parlor pitchers and standing with a group of his frat bros over a pile of beer bottles, cans, and other liquor containers as if it's still cool to act immature when you're almost 30 flipping years old.

You are a new poster to this forum and it is not too hard to see that you are looking for a place to smear some guy you don't like (or more likely you want him and he does not want you), and you are doing a very poor of making it look like you want to discuss a risk management issue.

I suggest you read Kevin's post on rumors and innuendo at the top of the page before you continue down the path of talking about who this guy is, what chapter he is from etc.

If you can't do that, you might want to consider finding another place to whine.

[Kevin]

Locked. This is clearly a personal issue for APOBee7519. This is not the appropriate forum to try to air personal issues under the guise of greek academic policy.