Greek acceptance in the church! - Page 4

Optimist Prime · #46 11-27-2001, 01:58 PM

Sorry, but i can't read all these posts at once. I didn't see UNFSigmaChi's name on this thread. Get him to tell you his expericce. I am not Christian, but that is still a good story.

Tom Earp · #47 11-27-2001, 05:05 PM

Hell, where is it? I heard that heaven is up and hell is down. Well, heaven is up all around us so I have been told that hell is on earth!

It seems the way things are going in our world that may be even more true!

I wonder, how the pope can be in a Fraternity if he is Polish from Poland

I did not know he went to school in the USA!

paws · #48 11-28-2001, 04:11 PM

I think it is important to remember YOUR faith before criticizing others. Being in my NPC sorority has in fact STRENGTHENED my relationship with God. I am a stronger person, and I believe in myself and the ideals set forth by my founders. I would never be a part of something in which I was made to compromise my faith, or to worship false gods. For those of you who are so concerned with Greeks going to hell and the judgement of God is going to come down upon us, take a look inside yourself. What is it that you are trying to prove to all of us? If I did pay for my sisters, then I haven't paid nearly enough.

Optimist Prime · #49 11-28-2001, 06:43 PM

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Originally posted by paws
I think it is important to remember YOUR faith before criticizing others. Being in my NPC sorority has in fact STRENGTHENED my relationship with God. I am a stronger person, and I believe in myself and the ideals set forth by my founders. I would never be a part of something in which I was made to compromise my faith, or to worship false gods. For those of you who are so concerned with Greeks going to hell and the judgement of God is going to come down upon us, take a look inside yourself. What is it that you are trying to prove to all of us? If I did pay for my sisters, then I haven't paid nearly enough.

Well said, Paws. But I have a question. You said you shouldn't critize other faiths, but then you called other gods (i.e. not your own) false. That is a bit confusing.

matthewg · #50 01-09-2002, 04:22 PM

[QUOTEI wonder, how the pope can be in a Fraternity if he is Polish from Poland

I did not know he went to school in the USA! [/B][/QUOTE]

I don't know where you got that from, but here a few comments to that. The actual pope isn't in a fraternity to all of my knowledge, but I think Pius the 6th was.

He and a lot of past and current priests, bishops and even cardinals of the roman catholic church are members of my catholic German fraternity. We are non-secretive, at least not to the extent of most American GLO's.

And one other thing. You don't have to live in North America to become involved in a fraternity. Fraternities have a long standing tradition in Europe with roots in the 13th century. There are non-GLO fraternities in the following countries that I know of: Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Germany, The Netherlands, Belgium, Austria, Switzerland, The Chzec and the Slovak Republics, the German speaking part of Italy and some student societies in the UK. In addition, my fraternity has a chapter in Tokyo, Japan, and another German fraternity has multiple chapters in Chile (but that is sort of imported and not exactly an indigenous product even if some are over 100 years old

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archangel689 · #51 01-10-2002, 01:57 AM

>I wonder, how the pope can be in a Fraternity if he is Polish >from Poland

I did not know he went to school in the >USA!

PKT is an international fraternity.

>I don't know where you got that from, but here a few comments >to that. The actual pope isn't in a fraternity to all of my >knowledge, but I think Pius the 6th was.
Yes, the current pope is a member of a fraternity.
-Tony

matthewg · #52 01-10-2002, 11:47 AM

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Originally posted by archangel689
[B
PKT is an international fraternity.

>I don't know where you got that from, but here a few comments >to that. The actual pope isn't in a fraternity to all of my >knowledge, but I think Pius the 6th was.
Yes, the current pope is a member of a fraternity.
-Tony [/B]

May I ask how he became a member?? Is he an honorary member?
Matt

archangel689 · #53 01-14-2002, 06:41 PM

May I ask how he became a member??
If you really want to know I can ask, the director of expansion is on campus.

Is he an honorary member?
Yes.
-Tony

matthewg · #54 01-14-2002, 06:49 PM

Yes, I would love to know,
I have to correct myself about the pope in my fraternity - it was Pius the VII (7th) and he was also an honorary member - and John the XXIII (23rd) was member of a different German fraternity.

tkeos443 · #55 01-18-2002, 12:44 PM

My fraternity was founded at a Weslyan school and by the religion of my founders we have grown with god's grace to become one of the largest fraternities in the world and just because Candles are used doesnt mean anything when you lite a candle in your house are you doing something wrong sometimes dont you think that stuff could mean something and no one is more important then god. If you take it toi far then there's a problem but it is just a ceremony

D-Train · #56 02-26-2002, 05:17 PM

Pink Ice, I know i'm about to step on toes but, that same crew would abolish greek organizations, would probablby do the same for Masonic orders or any other group that they could not obtain information about without joining. Like it was memtioned earlier in a post, if a lot of our pastors and civic leaders{who are in most cases, ministers} are part of a GLO, then why should someone be so quick to judge the unknown.

Salience · #57 02-26-2002, 06:51 PM

Coming from a sizeable Masonic family, I have heard horrible tales about ministers refusing to let Masons and Stars hold programs in their churches. I may have mentioned this on another thread, but when my uncle died, the minister refused to allow the Masons to perform their ceremony in the church, which is just ludicrous to me.

People on the outside can always reach snap decisions about things they know next-to-nothing about, and those "documentaries" on Discovery or History or MTV channels only fuel the flames of ire.

Kevin · #58 02-26-2002, 07:53 PM

There was actually a big movement back in the early 1800's where fraternities and secret societies were harshly criticized for being evil and such. There were a few major "open" fraternal organizations founded around that time such as Delta Upsilon in 1834. For the most part though, these organizations were very short-lived.

Many GLO's are founded on Christian principles in fact. Sigma Nu's founders for example took an oath the night they began our predecessor organization "The Legion of Honor" on a BIBLE. The Bible is still prominently used in our fraternity to this day.

Many GLO's stress an importance in spiritual growth. I would say that it is not idols that we prop up, it is IDEALS.

It is natural to fear what you do not understand. It is understood that someone might.

There was a post earlier in the thread by Virtuosity. I would challenge her/him to please NAME the organization that worships a god or goddess instead of saying "Greek organizations that have a goddess or god as their patron, are bad because this type of thing promote the worshipping of FALSE GODS".

Baseless allegations are not becoming and not honorable in the least. It may work when you're talking to the general unenlightened public, but not here.

LHT,
Kevin

Optimist Prime · #59 02-26-2002, 11:42 PM

I know lots of Christians that use Jesus or Mary as a patron. And I know they use the patron saints as such. As long as you are a good person, it should matter what you believe. Do I use patrons? My fraternity doesn't, but for myself, yes. I have lots of them. Gods/Goddesses, King Arthur, Charelemange, That druid guy whose name I can't think of. Basically, anyone from mythology or folklore or religion that is an examplar of the ideals i strive for (and the ideals my fraternity strives for) as patrons. My fraternity doesn't use them because that is like pushing beliefs on a member, and we are open to all faiths, creeds, etc.

Tom Earp · #60 02-27-2002, 06:13 PM

Billy, you are not into trees or things like that are you?

I never frown on anothers relegion unless they try to foist it onto me when I have one! When I was youger, I went to many Churches and Synagogs to learn. It may benefit others to do the same. Learning is still the Key Of Life!

If you do not learn something new everyday then you are lost!

The Majority of the Greek Fraternal Organizations are founded on Christian Principles along with I know are the Mason's and Moose! That these are the only ones that I can personally speak of, the only one I keep up with to this day is LXA!