Alleged Rape of NCCU Student: (Duke Scandal)

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by mccoyred
This related article the day before the indictment, provides further detail http://www.wral.com/news/8751211/detail.html

Thanks

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by mccoyred
I am stll unsure what they were charged with. Hopefully, that information will come out today.

They were arrested and charged with first degree forceable rape, first degree sexual offence, and kidnapping. I am unsure why the kidnapping but I guess that will come out later.

[kddani]

Originally posted by Gods Ivy
They were arrested and charged with first degree forceable rape, first degree sexual offence, and kidnapping. I am unsure why the kidnapping but I guess that will come out later.

Kidnapping generally can be either the taking of a person from once place to another against his or her will, OR the confining of a person to a controlled space (also against his or her will)


North Carolina law on kidnapping:
§ 14‑39. Kidnapping.

(a) Any person who shall unlawfully confine, restrain, or remove from one place to another, any other person 16 years of age or over without the consent of such person, or any other person under the age of 16 years without the consent of a parent or legal custodian of such person, shall be guilty of kidnapping if such confinement, restraint or removal is for the purpose of:

(1) Holding such other person for a ransom or as a hostage or using such other person as a shield; or

(2) Facilitating the commission of any felony or facilitating flight of any person following the commission of a felony; or

(3) Doing serious bodily harm to or terrorizing the person so confined, restrained or removed or any other person; or

(4) Holding such other person in involuntary servitude in violation of G.S. 14‑43.2.

(b) There shall be two degrees of kidnapping as defined by subsection (a). If the person kidnapped either was not released by the defendant in a safe place or had been seriously injured or sexually assaulted, the offense is kidnapping in the first degree and is punishable as a Class C felony. If the person kidnapped was released in a safe place by the defendant and had not been seriously injured or sexually assaulted, the offense is kidnapping in the second degree and is punishable as a Class E felony.

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by kddani
Kidnapping generally can be either the taking of a person from once place to another against his or her will, OR the confining of a person to a controlled space (also against his or her will)


North Carolina law on kidnapping:
§ 14‑39. Kidnapping.

(a) Any person who shall unlawfully confine, restrain, or remove from one place to another, any other person 16 years of age or over without the consent of such person, or any other person under the age of 16 years without the consent of a parent or legal custodian of such person, shall be guilty of kidnapping if such confinement, restraint or removal is for the purpose of:

(1) Holding such other person for a ransom or as a hostage or using such other person as a shield; or

(2) Facilitating the commission of any felony or facilitating flight of any person following the commission of a felony; or

(3) Doing serious bodily harm to or terrorizing the person so confined, restrained or removed or any other person; or

(4) Holding such other person in involuntary servitude in violation of G.S. 14‑43.2.

(b) There shall be two degrees of kidnapping as defined by subsection (a). If the person kidnapped either was not released by the defendant in a safe place or had been seriously injured or sexually assaulted, the offense is kidnapping in the first degree and is punishable as a Class C felony. If the person kidnapped was released in a safe place by the defendant and had not been seriously injured or sexually assaulted, the offense is kidnapping in the second degree and is punishable as a Class E felony.

Oh ok so I guess because she allegedly was not allowed to leave they added kidnapping. Thanks for the info.

[Honeykiss1974]

Ok, I'm now going to have to follow this sotry closely because there are more plot turns and twist than an episode of the Young and the Restless.

FYI, these two men have already posted bond and are free!

But anyway, in this story below, according to their defense attorney, each of them have evidence that they weren't there when the rape suposedly occurred - one is based on a cab ride to an ATM (where the security cam does show him there at the time of the party) and the other guy alleges that he was at dinner with friends.

Prosecutor seeks 3rd suspect in Duke rape case
Two lacrosse players charged with rape, kidnapping

Tuesday, April 18, 2006; Posted: 3:22 p.m. EDT (19:22 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/18/duke.rape/index.html

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by Honeykiss1974
Ok, I'm now going to have to follow this sotry closely because there are more plot turns and twist than an episode of the Young and the Restless.

FYI, these two men have already posted bond and are free!

But anyway, in this story below, according to their defense attorney, each of them have evidence that they weren't there when the rape suposedly occurred - one is based on a cab ride to an ATM (where the security cam does show him there at the time of the party) and the other guy alleges that he was at dinner with friends.

Prosecutor seeks 3rd suspect in Duke rape case
Two lacrosse players charged with rape, kidnapping

Tuesday, April 18, 2006; Posted: 3:22 p.m. EDT (19:22 GMT)
http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/04/18/duke.rape/index.html

Interesting information. Thanks for sharing. This story does have a lot of twists and turns.

[Gods Ivy]

A question that none of us have asked is that if there is no merit to the young woman's allegations, why did the coach resign (issue brought up on the Russ Parr show this morning)? And these students posted bond at $400,000 and have legal representation of prestigious stature. There was an interview of a parent of a non-accused lacrosse player and he mentioned that they are kids have working class parents and they are good boys.

Is this fact or fiction or a ploy to make them look more creditable in the eyes of the public. I really think the woman needs to come forward and speak to the community about her side because all we are seeing is the other side and without that I believe that this is will be a class issue case and she will not have a chance in court.

[Marie]

Originally posted by Gods Ivy
A question that none of us have asked is that if there is no merit to the young woman's allegations, why did the coach resign (issue brought up on the Russ Parr show this morning)?

I believe that one of the articles posted (Try the article that HoneyKiss posted yesterday) said that the team had several other incidents on their record. Here is a quote "Duke's athletics director, Joe Alleva, had warned Pressler to get his team "in line" following a high-level review of disciplinary records last year, The (Durham) Herald-Sun quoted Alleva as saying Monday." I'm guessing that whether or not these young men are guilty, this was the straw that broke the camel's back, and the athletic department asked for the coach's resignation.

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by Marie
I believe that one of the articles posted (Try the article that HoneyKiss posted yesterday) said that the team had several other incidents on their record. Here is a quote "Duke's athletics director, Joe Alleva, had warned Pressler to get his team "in line" following a high-level review of disciplinary records last year, The (Durham) Herald-Sun quoted Alleva as saying Monday." I'm guessing that whether or not these young men are guilty, this was the straw that broke the camel's back, and the athletic department asked for the coach's resignation.

This statement definitely make me believe that there is some merit to the accusations. This story just does not seem made up.

[PerfectVerse06]

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — A cab driver who took a Duke University lacrosse player home from a team party says his passenger, now charged with raping an exotic dancer, seemed calm and even jovial that night. But the driver said a second passenger he picked up later was talking about a stripper.

Moez Mostafa said the second passenger spoke about the stripper in a tone that made it "look to me like somebody get hurt."

Defense attorneys have said they have time-stamped photos from the party, bank records, cell phone calls and a taxi driver's statement to support Reade Seligmann's claim that he is innocent of raping the woman on the night of March 13.

A person close to the case told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity Wednesday that the cell phone records show Seligmann called for a taxi at 12:14 a.m., and that according to sworn testimony he left in the taxi at 12:19 a.m.

The bank records show he stopped at an ATM five minutes later, the person added, while information provided by Duke shows Seligmann's ID card was used to enter his dorm at 12:46 a.m.

Mostafa declined to speak to The Associated Press on Wednesday but confirmed to other media outlets that he picked up Seligmann and another passenger at 12:19 a.m., took them to a bank and a drive-through hamburger stand, then dropped them off at a Duke dormitory.

"They were just joking and laughing inside my car and everything just fine," Mostafa said in accented English in an interview broadcast Thursday on ABC's "Good Morning America."

In an interview on MSNBC, Mostafa said he returned to the house later to pick up another customer. He said he remembered that person "said in a loud voice, 'She just a stripper."'

Asked whether the second fare was complaining about the stripper or whether it appeared something bad had happened to her, Mostafa initially said he didn't "have any information about what was going on in the house."

"When I look back, he look like he mad at the stripper. Or the stripper, she going to call the police and she just a stripper. ... It look to me like somebody get hurt. But what kind of harm, ... I have no idea."

The accuser, a 27-year-old student from a nearby college, told police she was attacked by three men at a house where she and another woman were hired to dance at a lacrosse team party on March 13. According to defense attorneys, DNA tests conducted on the team's players failed to connect any of them to the alleged rape.

Seligmann and fellow sophomore Collin Finnerty were indicted Monday on charges of first-degree rape, sexual offense and kidnapping. Each posted $400,000 bond Tuesday and was released.

Mostafa said he didn't realize his first customers had anything to do with the case until an attorney telephoned him a week or so ago. He told the Herald-Sun of Durham that he was initially reluctant to talk but changed his mind after a visit from Seligmann's father.

"I didn't want to get involved, but when his father came and said it was a really serious situation, I talked to them," he told the newspaper.

He said he was confident he remembered the episode correctly, not so much because the passengers paid $25 for an $18 cab ride but "because I wait for them a long time and they make my car smell, that's the only reason I have that in my mind."

He said he was sure he recognized Seligmann, though he didn't know the other passenger.

"Yeah, I know (Seligmann's) face that time and I recognize him and I still remember his face," Mostafa told MSNBC.

[mccoyred]

Originally posted by PerfectVerse06

RALEIGH, N.C. (AP) — A cab driver who took a Duke University lacrosse player home from a team party says his passenger, now charged with raping an exotic dancer, seemed calm and even jovial that night. But the driver said a second passenger he picked up later was talking about a stripper.

Moez Mostafa said the second passenger spoke about the stripper in a tone that made it "look to me like somebody get hurt."

Defense attorneys have said they have time-stamped photos from the party, bank records, cell phone calls and a taxi driver's statement to support Reade Seligmann's claim that he is innocent of raping the woman on the night of March 13.

A person close to the case told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity Wednesday that the cell phone records show Seligmann called for a taxi at 12:14 a.m., and that according to sworn testimony he left in the taxi at 12:19 a.m.

The bank records show he stopped at an ATM five minutes later, the person added, while information provided by Duke shows Seligmann's ID card was used to enter his dorm at 12:46 a.m.

Mostafa declined to speak to The Associated Press on Wednesday but confirmed to other media outlets that he picked up Seligmann and another passenger at 12:19 a.m., took them to a bank and a drive-through hamburger stand, then dropped them off at a Duke dormitory.

"They were just joking and laughing inside my car and everything just fine," Mostafa said in accented English in an interview broadcast Thursday on ABC's "Good Morning America."

In an interview on MSNBC, Mostafa said he returned to the house later to pick up another customer. He said he remembered that person "said in a loud voice, 'She just a stripper."'

Asked whether the second fare was complaining about the stripper or whether it appeared something bad had happened to her, Mostafa initially said he didn't "have any information about what was going on in the house."

"When I look back, he look like he mad at the stripper. Or the stripper, she going to call the police and she just a stripper. ... It look to me like somebody get hurt. But what kind of harm, ... I have no idea."

The accuser, a 27-year-old student from a nearby college, told police she was attacked by three men at a house where she and another woman were hired to dance at a lacrosse team party on March 13. According to defense attorneys, DNA tests conducted on the team's players failed to connect any of them to the alleged rape.

Seligmann and fellow sophomore Collin Finnerty were indicted Monday on charges of first-degree rape, sexual offense and kidnapping. Each posted $400,000 bond Tuesday and was released.

Mostafa said he didn't realize his first customers had anything to do with the case until an attorney telephoned him a week or so ago. He told the Herald-Sun of Durham that he was initially reluctant to talk but changed his mind after a visit from Seligmann's father.

"I didn't want to get involved, but when his father came and said it was a really serious situation, I talked to them," he told the newspaper.

He said he was confident he remembered the episode correctly, not so much because the passengers paid $25 for an $18 cab ride but "because I wait for them a long time and they make my car smell, that's the only reason I have that in my mind."

He said he was sure he recognized Seligmann, though he didn't know the other passenger.

"Yeah, I know (Seligmann's) face that time and I recognize him and I still remember his face," Mostafa told MSNBC.

Okay, so WHO was the second pickup that did make what sounds like incriminating statements???

[Gods Ivy]

Originally posted by mccoyred
Okay, so WHO was the second pickup that did make what sounds like incriminating statements???

Right this still all seems weird but again like something happend.

[PerfectVerse06]

DURHAM, N.C. Apr 21, 2006 (AP)— At first, a stripper who performed at a Duke University lacrosse team party doubted the story of a colleague who told police she was dragged into a bathroom and raped. Now, Kim Roberts isn't so sure.

"I was not in the bathroom when it happened, so I can't say a rape occurred and I never will," Roberts told The Associated Press on Thursday in her first on-the-record interview. But after watching defense attorneys release photos of the accuser, and upset by the leaking of both dancers' criminal pasts, she said she has to "wonder about their character."

"In all honesty, I think they're guilty," she said. "And I can't say which ones are guilty … but somebody did something besides underage drinking. That's my honest-to-God impression."

Attorneys for the 46 players have aggressively proclaimed the players' innocence, citing DNA tests during a public campaign that has included describing and releasing photos from the party.

Those photos, the defense maintains, show the accuser was both injured and impaired when she arrived, and also support the claim that one of the two players who has been indicted would not have had enough time to participate in any assault before he left the party. The district attorney has said he also hopes to charge a third suspect in the case.

The attorneys claim Roberts at first told a member of the defense team that she did not believe the accuser's allegations. They say she has changed her story to gain favorable treatment in a criminal case against her. They note she also e-mailed a New York public relations firm, asking in her letter for advice on "how to spin this to my advantage."

"We believe … her story has been motivated by her own self-interest," said attorney Bill Thomas, who represents one of the uncharged players. "I think that a jury will ultimately have to decide the question of her credibility."

Roberts, 31, was arrested on March 22 eight days after the party on a probation violation from a 2001 conviction for embezzling $25,000 from a photofinishing company in Durham where she was a payroll specialist, according to documents obtained by the AP

abcnews.go.com/Sports/LegalCenter/wireStory?id=1869877

[Gods Ivy]

"We believe … her story has been motivated by her own self-interest," said attorney Bill Thomas, who represents one of the uncharged players. "I think that a jury will ultimately have to decide the question of her credibility."

Roberts, 31, was arrested on March 22 eight days after the party on a probation violation from a 2001 conviction for embezzling $25,000 from a photofinishing company in Durham where she was a payroll specialist, according to documents obtained by the AP

abcnews.go.com/Sports/LegalCenter/wireStory?id=1869877
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Wow

[KSigkid]

Originally posted by Marie
I believe that one of the articles posted (Try the article that HoneyKiss posted yesterday) said that the team had several other incidents on their record. Here is a quote "Duke's athletics director, Joe Alleva, had warned Pressler to get his team "in line" following a high-level review of disciplinary records last year, The (Durham) Herald-Sun quoted Alleva as saying Monday." I'm guessing that whether or not these young men are guilty, this was the straw that broke the camel's back, and the athletic department asked for the coach's resignation.

A big part of that may have been the public relations aspect; if the team had been under fire previously, and then this issue came up, the administration may have just wanted to make the move now. I'm not sure that it goes to guilt or innocence.