So What Happens Now?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by shinerbock
but your points are not relevant in a discussion of race.

LOL. Did I not talk about race in my post? The difference is that I talked about intraracial rather than interracial. You only care about the interracial, which makes it humorous that you are shocked at how this Duke case is being discussed in the media.

Nothing's relevant when it contrasts common misconceptions of race and criminality in this country. Racialized sensationalism is always more fun than the truth. People like you would rather go on tangents about people playing the "race card" while, all along, being that which you despise.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by valkyrie
My guess is that there is a lot of white-on-white violence in this country; it just doesn't get media attention.

To go along with my initial post on this subject matter regarding representation in the general population, not just "a lot" but more of a majority than the media would like for us to believe.

This also speaks to our notions of violence. People think of "street violence" and young Black males. They don't consider other forms of homicide, assault, and family violence that are more perpetuated by white males on other whites. This is because the violence that is disproportionately (meaning, as compared to their representation in the general population) perpetuated by blacks (young males in particular) is most often associated with guns and committed in public places where the acts are more easily detected. This easy detection by law enforcement adds to the increase in arrest rates, which leads to greater public perception of black crime. People begin to fear black-on-white violence when, in fact, black-on-black violence is much more prevalent as is white-on-white violence.

[shinerbock]

Are you kidding? Sure you talked about race, but white vs. white is not a racial issue. I'm sorry, but I assumed you would realize this. It is hilarious how you continue to blame the "racial" aspect of this situation on people like myself, who merely comment on what they see in the media. I'm not playing the race card, I'm simply showing my displeasure at those who are. You probably will not recognize this, as God forbid a conservative not start an issue that divides the public. The lack of rational thought within our modern politically correct society never ceases to amaze. I give up, I'm sure those rich, well educated white boys raped that black stripper. After all, thats so common.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by shinerbock
Are you kidding? Sure you talked about race, but white vs. white is not a racial issue.

She's not saying that white v. white is a racial issue -- my understanding is that she's saying there is more white-on-white and black-on-black violence than black-on-white or white-on-black violence, and that the type of violent acts committed by "young Black males" is the type that you hear about in the media. I think she's right, but I haven't researched the issue -- you just don't hear about the white guy who beats his wife on the 10:00 news, though, do you?

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by shinerbock
who merely comment on what they see in the media.

End discussion here.

As I told ilikehazing, please refrain from commenting until you become well-read and well-articulated on such subject matters. The media is not your guide to all things true and noble.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by valkyrie
She's not saying that white v. white is a racial issue -- my understanding is that she's saying there is more white-on-white and black-on-black violence than black-on-white or white-on-black violence, and that the type of violent acts committed by "young Black males" is the type that you hear about in the media. I think she's right, but I haven't researched the issue -- you just don't hear about the white guy who beats his wife on the 10:00 news, though, do you?

What we hear about versus what we do not hear about can be a "racial issue" if our misconceptions are rooted in racialized untruths. The same applies to media and public sensationalism or untruths rooted in social class, sexuality, and gender biases.

Shinerbock doesn't understand and his insistence in discussing an unfounded "racial issue" is comical because he's playing the *cue echo* "racccccccccccceeeeeee...carrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrdddd dddd." He and ilikehazing are that which they despise.

[valkyrie]

Originally posted by DSTCHAOS
As I told ilikehazing, please refrain from commenting until you become well-read and well-articulated on such subject matters. The media is not your guide to all things true and noble.

In the alternative (and I'm only bothering because I'm a huggy liberal who wants us all to just get along and understand each other OH TEH LOVE), recognize that if your views of race/crime/violence/justice are based only on what you've seen/heard/read in the media, they are inherently limited. There is a whole world of shit that happens that you never hear about on the news, ever. Relying on the media to develop a knowledge of these issues is like relying on American Idol to develop a knowledge of music.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by valkyrie
Relying on the media to develop a knowledge of these issues is like relying on American Idol to develop a knowledge of music.

But...but...Paula Abdul taught me how to sing.

[shinerbock]

Holy crap. I'm relying on what I see/hear in the media, because thats where black commentators are making their statements. Maybe I should go to more grassroots sources like drudge report, but I don't think that changes the issue at hand. Perhaps I should look to message boards, and Chaos, you can be my source, since you've proven so reliable and rational thus far. Also, I don't think you can really compare some trailer trash domestic dispute to black people killing white people, or raping white women, but whatever. I'm sure this sounds like I'm preaching against black people, but I'm really not. The majority are having their culture's image hurt by the idiots in this situation. However, that does not change the fact that based on percentage, they are much more likely to commit violent crime. Also, I'm getting kinda drunk, so in your response if you could do it on a point by point (simplified) basis, that would make it easier for me to respond. Thanks.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by shinerbock
Holy crap. I'm relying on what I see/hear in the media

We already established that. Next topic.

[shinerbock]

Oh my, please let us know your insider information, since the media is so unreliable. I'm sure Al Sharpton & Co. is a much better source than MSNBC.

[DSTCHAOS]

Originally posted by shinerbock
Oh my, please let us know your insider information, since the media is so unreliable. I'm sure Al Sharpton & Co. is a much better source than MSNBC.

^^^ He's on a brand new tangent that has nothing to do with what valkyrie and I typed to him.

Just let it go and have a blessed weekend.

[shinerbock]

I love your avoidance of relevant issues. I'm not on a tangent, I'm responding to your continued posts which basically claim I don't know what I'm talking about because I get my information from the media. You continue to stray away from the situation at hand, most likely due to your position, which is very difficult to defend.

[utealum]

"Black on white violent crime is much more common than the opposite"

Did you have anything to back this up?

[shinerbock]

I have used a statistic regarding that issue before, and I'll try and get back to you with it.