CMU Expansion

[alum]

Originally posted by OTW
Oh please. Yes, Pi Phi is strong nationally, but I can think of many other NPCs who would love to colonize at CMU for the reasons kddani previously stated.

I really hate how your statements are giving off that "the other NPC sororities aren't good enough for CMU" vibe.

But whatever.

My remarks seem to be misinterpreted. I have no vested interest or bias in the colonization process at Carnegie Mellon other than that of a graduate. My point is that the academically elite universities, especially those in the northeast, that don't have a large greek system usually tend to pick only the GLOs that provide the strongest national support. Get on their websites to see which groups they have.

Somebody mentioned the number of alumnae as a sign of strength. Although that is certainly a factor, Chi Omega is one of the largest sororities in terms of actives and alums and that was the chapter that ended up deactivating.

[seussN10]

I am a Zeta Psi Sigma alum and the groups that have been invited to present have already been chosen. The groups were narrowed down by both the campu greek community and Zeta Psi Sigma. They where chosen for a variety of different reasons, ranging from there creed to the level of national support that could offer the new colony. They will be presenting in January. I'm not going to post here, to keep it from turning into a pick XYZ or go ABC type of thread. If you are interested in knowing PM me.

[Tom Earp]

I dont really care who presents or is chosen as long as there is Expansion at C M! It may even give some importance to many of the other Schools at this level.

And Yes, beleive it or not, there are a lot of factors that will go into the selection process.

So Your GLO is not chosen, it is not the friggen end of the world!

Are not many NPC More Regional than others? So, guess who may be chosen over others.

There are more schools out there to present to.

[33girl]

Originally posted by alum
Somebody mentioned the number of alumnae as a sign of strength. Although that is certainly a factor, Chi Omega is one of the largest sororities in terms of actives and alums and that was the chapter that ended up deactivating.

Maybe OVER THE US Chi O is one of the largest, but around this immediate area, as in alums that can get in their car and drive down the street to help, not so much. That was the point Danielle was making with Pi Phi. I'm sure they've got alums around here from their Penn State chapter too, but EVERYBODY from Penn State has alums in Pittsburgh.

And to be blunt, comparing CMU and the Ivy League schools just doesn't work. It's not just because the Ivy League schools are academically challenging that they have their reputation, it's the old boy network (or the perception of its existence) you get from those schools too. I would not say the same thing about CMU.

Plus, the Greek systems at U Penn & Cornell and the Greek systems at Harvard and Yale are WORLDS apart. Harvard doesn't even recognize the sororities officially.

[alum]

Originally posted by 33girl
Maybe OVER THE US Chi O is one of the largest, but around this immediate area, as in alums that can get in their car and drive down the street to help, not so much. That was the point Danielle was making with Pi Phi. I'm sure they've got alums around here from their Penn State chapter too, but EVERYBODY from Penn State has alums in Pittsburgh.

And to be blunt, comparing CMU and the Ivy League schools just doesn't work. It's not just because the Ivy League schools are academically challenging that they have their reputation, it's the old boy network (or the perception of its existence) you get from those schools too. I would not say the same thing about CMU.

Plus, the Greek systems at U Penn & Cornell and the Greek systems at Harvard and Yale are WORLDS apart. Harvard doesn't even recognize the sororities officially.

Carnegie Mellon Grads don't stick around Pittsburgh after graduation, even the few who are actually from Western PA. Because CMU doesn't necessarily have strong alumni associations in every major city, it is important that both the men's and the women's fraternities (and at CMU most of the female groups ARE women's fraternities) who are there are known for alumnae networking.

And completely irrelevant but necessary to know, there were quite a few Harvard bigwigs involved in our colonization process. We don't place chapters that aren't in accordance with university administrations.

[kddani]

You're not doing KKG or CMU any favors with taking such a snotty tone.

[Tom Earp]

Originally posted by alum
Carnegie Mellon Grads don't stick around Pittsburgh after graduation, even the few who are actually from Western PA. Because CMU doesn't necessarily have strong alumni associations in every major city, it is important that both the men's and the women's fraternities (and at CMU most of the female groups ARE women's fraternities) who are there are known for alumnae networking.

And completely irrelevant but necessary to know, there were quite a few Harvard bigwigs involved in our colonization process. We don't place chapters that aren't in accordance with university administrations.

I really think You said it all in a Sentence!

The Acceptance By The School is Prominent from the Get Go. It does not depend on How Each GLO feels about being on a Specific Campi!

Manytimes, We as GLOS have Proved Our Stupidiity to Schools and They Have turned against Us.

Originally posted by kddani
You're not doing KKG or CMU any favors with taking such a snotty tone.

No kidding.

I don't know how many times my eyes went after reading her posts.

[AchtungBaby80]

Originally posted by honeychile
I have no idea who alum is, or what she does or doesn't know. I just know that what she's saying is NOT what I've heard.

Me, too...before I rushed or knew much of anything about sororities other than the one my sisters are members of, I did recognize the names of a few. I had no idea who Pi Phi was, but I knew Kappa Delta.

That said, no one sorority is "better" in terms of quality than the others, and I wish nothing but the best to the ones who have been chosen to present.

[alum]

As I said, I don't have a bias. Whatever new GLO that is selected will be accepted. But for the alums that have a preference, we will continue to put our opinions in with our chapters and with the school administration.

In terms of people who may be biased against CMU, 2 years ago kddani wrote the following in regards to Carnegie Mellon
on a different thread in Greek Chat.

"The student body is largely foreign (it's very easy to walk across the entire campus and not hear English spoken even once)... it's a very "nerdy" school- a lot of very smart and very geeky people.

Most of the "normal"/ "cool" kids joing a GLO b/c they want the socialization. So there's not really a whole lot of GDI's out to get them or anything.

It's a very interesting campus culture...."

Quite a few broad based stereotypes are in that quote.
Pitt and CMU students very rarely interact. We each have our focuses and they don't overlap so there is minimal rivalry. Several of the GLOs have chapters at both campuses but rarely host joint Pitt/CMU events. There are international students but after 9/11 that number has decreased. We are not simply an engineering school, we have a phenomenal fine arts and drama school. The Economics Department has more Nobel Prize winners than any other department. I could go on but there is no need.

[kddani]

Originally posted by alum
As I said, I don't have a bias. Whatever new GLO that is selected will be accepted. But for the alums that have a preference, we will continue to put our opinions in with our chapters and with the school administration.

In terms of people who may be biased against CMU, 2 years ago kddani wrote the following in regards to Carnegie Mellon
on a different thread in Greek Chat.

"The student body is largely foreign (it's very easy to walk across the entire campus and not hear English spoken even once)... it's a very "nerdy" school- a lot of very smart and very geeky people.

Most of the "normal"/ "cool" kids joing a GLO b/c they want the socialization. So there's not really a whole lot of GDI's out to get them or anything.

It's a very interesting campus culture...."

Quite a few broad based stereotypes are in that quote.
Pitt and CMU students very rarely interact. We each have our focuses and they don't overlap so there is minimal rivalry. Several of the GLOs have chapters at both campuses but rarely host joint Pitt/CMU events. There are international students but after 9/11 that number has decreased. We are not simply an engineering school, we have a phenomenal fine arts and drama school. The Economics Department has more Nobel Prize winners than any other department. I could go on but there is no need.

As I also said in that thread that you're quoting from, my sorority has mixers on several occasions with the CMU fraternities. I've spent a significant amount of time up there. Hell, many of my sisters, and I myself, dated guys from CMU, including those in fraternities. One of my best friends advises one of the sororities and says the exact same things about the campus. It's my personal observations. You haven't been a part of the campus in a long time, perhaps CMU and Pitt students interact more now than they did when you were there. But Pitt students are up there quite frequently.

If you don't have a bias, don't be so snotty about it, and don't talk crap on other GLOs.

There's no denying that CMU is a great school.

And if i'm not mistaken, don't the girls in the local get to pick who they are affiliating with, not the other GLOs? So while it's fine you have an opinion, but it doesn't mean that it will count.

[seussN10]

And if i'm not mistaken, don't the girls in the local get to pick who they are affiliating with, not the other GLOs? So while it's fine you have an opinion, but it doesn't mean that it will count.

Yes that is mainly true, while the other houses and the university have had some input, the final decision is zeta psi sigma's.

Originally posted by kddani
As I also said in that thread that you're quoting from, my sorority has mixers on several occasions with the CMU fraternities. I've spent a significant amount of time up there. Hell, many of my sisters, and I myself, dated guys from CMU, including those in fraternities. One of my best friends advises one of the sororities and says the exact same things about the campus. It's my personal observations. You haven't been a part of the campus in a long time, perhaps CMU and Pitt students interact more now than they did when you were there. But Pitt students are up there quite frequently.

If you don't have a bias, don't be so snotty about it, and don't talk crap on other GLOs.

There's no denying that CMU is a great school.

And if i'm not mistaken, don't the girls in the local get to pick who they are affiliating with, not the other GLOs? So while it's fine you have an opinion, but it doesn't mean that it will count.

The overall sentiment I'm getting from this thread is that those of us who are in sororities not currently on campus would LOVE to have their own GLO colonize there. So I really don't understand why alum thinks we're biased against CMU.

alum (and whoever else feels the same way, for that matter), perhaps you should just stay out of it and have faith that your collegiate sisters will make the right suggestions when it's their turn to give Zeta Psi Sigma their input. I hope, for the sake of all the CMU Greeks, that they don't take on this same snotty attitude you've been throwing out in this thread.

[alum]

Before this escalates further, I will take the high road and offer my best wishes to whatever group gets selected. Carnegie Mellon students are extremely bright and will make a wise decision.

[dznat187]

Originally posted by alum
If a student does not get her top house she won't have worry about making an error in joining any group because even if the chapter isn't "good" the national level is incomparable.

As a CMU Greek, I would like to see Pi Phi because of their reputation. We need to have a national that has the resources tol truly support their colony and young chapter.

Wow, that is quite the statement.....i would risk to say that no matter how 'great' the national org is, the local chapter is quite important. chapters differ so much between schools and some are very distant from what their nationals would like them to be doing. so a woman should join ABC because they are the "best" national, even though hte individual chapter has the worst GPA, has more sisters fail out, all they do is drink and the NMs get hazed? That makes no sense to me. Yes, you join a national org and it is good to look into the national org when picking a group, but to totally disregard the local chapter is just dumb.

also, no offense, as much as CMU and Harvard and Penn are 'ivy league' or educational powerhouses in your eyes, those of us in lowly state system schools are getting just as good of an education and are just as focused as those other schools. in fact, both of my parents went to penn; they basically told be to do undergrad at a state school because penn was a waste of money unless for grad school. and my little bro goes to the quasi-ivy league Lehigh U, and those kids party way more than my state school kids did and their fraternities are out of control. so don't start trying to throw your CMU education in our faces.

also, AST has a large number of PA chapters and Pitt area alumns, as does DZ, and many others. they would be just as good for CMU. in the end it is the org that best fits to true mission of the org. plus, i am from PA and have never heard of Pi Phi except as being on a list of sororities. with as many chapters as there are in PA, almost any NPC would eb great for this campus. there are tons of alumns around, especially the state school grads because they tend to stay in PA cuz it is a damn fine state! hahahh.

and if a group wasn't strong enough to support a new chapter i feel liek they wouldnt be a national org or they would be slow to open another chapter as that would mean they can't support the chapters they have already.

In the end, i think the best organization for these ladies will be chosen, good luck and best wishes.

editted to remove offensive statement: I'm sorry all.....I see what compulsive posting will do. hahah