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Old 11-18-2005, 11:05 PM
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John Lennon's killer

I hesitate even putting this in Entertainment, but...

Did anyone else watch tonight's segment of Dateline, about John Lennon's last days? I'd be very interested in knowing what anyone else thought about it.

Frankly, I plan to write to the Parole Board tonight, so that the killer isn't paroled next year (the next time he's up for it). I also never use his name, as per the Lennon family's request.
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Old 11-18-2005, 11:27 PM
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It's strange to walk by the Dakota where John was shot...
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Old 11-18-2005, 11:48 PM
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It's strange to walk by the Dakota where John was shot...
Seriously! Were you ever there before they kept the gates shut?

I've never been to Strawberry Fields - each time I go to NYC, it's as if I avoid it.
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Seriously! Were you ever there before they kept the gates shut?

I've never been to Strawberry Fields - each time I go to NYC, it's as if I avoid it.
Yes and I've been to Strawberry Fields, too.
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I chose not to watch.

Did the show actually suggest that the public write to the parole board? I'm all for keeping that assassin locked up and melting the key.
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Old 11-19-2005, 12:25 AM
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I chose not to watch.

Did the show actually suggest that the public write to the parole board? I'm all for keeping that assassin locked up and melting the key.
No, but the jerk is worried that the tapes that he's made concerning the amount of premeditation he put into killing John may hurt his chances of parole!

Well, duh! The guy flew into NY, found out he couldn't buy ammo, flew out of NY, bought the ammo, then flew back to NYC! The night before, he also checked into a deluxe (at the time) hotel, and ordered a hooker - just like The Catcher In The Rye. He was thrilled that the hooker was wearing green, just like The Catcher In The Rye, too.
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I remember reading at the time of his last parole hearing,that parole was denied because the board didn't think he was genuinely remorseful about the shooting even after all these years.

I also believe if he is granted parole,he may very well be killed out on the street. I'm surprised he made it this long in prison. I would be curious to know whether he is kept away from others or is a general population inmate.
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I remember reading at the time of his last parole hearing,that parole was denied because the board didn't think he was genuinely remorseful about the shooting even after all these years.

I also believe if he is granted parole,he may very well be killed out on the street. I'm surprised he made it this long in prison. I would be curious to know whether he is kept away from others or is a general population inmate.
Considering his notoriety, he's probably administratively segregated from the general prison population - it wouldn't take very long for some ya-hoo in 'gen-pop' to earn his way into one of the prison gangs by whacking him.

Highy doubtful he'll get sprung out on parole.
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Old 11-20-2005, 03:46 AM
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It's strange to walk by the Dakota where John was shot...
Yea.. and personally, I think it is strange that Yoko still lives there.
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I think it is strange that Yoko still lives there.
I think Yoko is a little (?) strange, period.

Maybe she can't afford to find another place...

Moving can be such a hassle.
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Maybe Yoko feels a strong connection to the place, and still feels close to him by being there.

I won't deny that I think she is a bit strange, but people in general do strange things in situations like that.
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I'm with Linz on this one - Yoko and John owned three or four different apartments in the Dakota, and I'm sure she feels a connection. It's certainly not the money, as Yoko has a good head for business. I'm not sure what she's into now, but I know in the past, they owned thousands of cattle.

Plus, let's face it - she's a professional widow. If she were to marry anyone else, she would be "who?" So, staying at the Dakota makes sense that way. She did her best to make Sean into a "mini-Beatle", but it just didn't work - Julian Lennon & Zak Starr had minor successes (Zak plays with the Who occasionally), and I think Dhani Harrison stands a good chance, should he choose that occupation. But they all have huge shoes to fill!

If John's killer is ever released, I hope the time, date, and place is announced at least two weeks prior to the event. Just enough time for some John fans to be ready to "greet" him at the prison gates!

PS- if you missed the Dateline piece, they had photos of the killer in all sorts of celebrity poses. It was truly sickening!!
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I also never use his name, as per the Lennon family's request.
Why does the family request that? Sounds a little like "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named."
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Why does the family request that? Sounds a little like "He-Who-Must-Not-Be-Named."
It's part of not allowing him the celebrity that he so desperately craved that he "needed" to kill John in the first place.
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Lennon's Killer Marks 25 Years of Infamy

Nov 28, 5:02 PM (ET)

By JAKE COYLE

NEW YORK (AP) - Twenty-five years ago, M D C stamped his name into history by shooting four bullets into John Lennon's back - a desperate, senseless grab for the kind of fame the voice of a generation was so steeped in. Instead, all he gained was infamy.

"I want to be important," C later said of his mind-set before the murder. "I want to be somebody. I was never anybody."

The journey from nobody to notorious started in Decatur, Georgia, where he grew up with his parents and sister. After high school, C worked as a camp counselor at an Atlanta YMCA and was briefly enrolled at Covenant College, a Christian university in Georgia. But he dropped out, broke off an engagement and entered a dark period of depression.

In the spring of 1977, C moved to Honolulu, where he attempted to kill himself using the exhaust from a car. In the following years, C, a devout Christian, would take exception to Lennon's perceived anti-religion beliefs. At the height of Beatlemania, Lennon had famously proclaimed the Beatles "more popular than Jesus," and later sang in "Imagine": "Imagine there's no heaven."

At the same time, C developed an obsession with J.D. Salinger's "The Catcher in the Rye," the landmark novel that focuses on a disaffected youth, Holden Caulfield, during a trip to New York City.

Though previously a great fan of the Beatles, C began attaching Caulfield's favorite slander - "phony" - to Lennon. He made that assessment after seeing photos of Lennon atop his exclusive Manhattan apartment building, the Dakota.

"At some point, after looking at those pictures, I became enraged at him and something in me just broke," C would explain later. "I remember saying in my mind, 'What if I killed him?'"

"I felt that perhaps my identity would be found in the killing of John Lennon."

Believing himself the embodiment of Holden Caulfield, C, then 25, arrived in New York City Dec. 6, 1980. Two days later, he bought another copy of Salinger's book and wrote in it, "This is my statement." He went to the Dakota and waited for Lennon.

When he arrived, Lennon politely signed an autograph for the pudgy, dark-haired, ordinary-looking fan. C stayed, waiting for Lennon and his wife, Yoko Ono, to return later that evening.

"It was like a runaway train," C would later say of his desire to kill Lennon. "There was no stopping it."

Just after 10:50 p.m., the couple exited their limousine and began walking into the Dakota. C unloaded, hitting the 40-year-old Lennon with all but one shot. Then, without a word, he sat down and opened "The Catcher in the Rye."

The man whose songs and lyrics had meant so much to so many, died on the way to the hospital.

The outpouring of grief was immediate - as was confusion. Who was C? Why did he do it?

C signed a statement to police that evening: "I have a small part of me that cannot understand the world and what goes on it. I did not want to kill anybody and I really don't know why I did it."

A brief 1981 trial offered few answers. C was expected to mount an insanity defense; a psychologist diagnosed him as a paranoid schizophrenic. Instead, he pleaded guilty and was sentenced to 20 years to life. He has since resided in New York's Attica Correctional facility, where he has been kept separate from the jail's general public for his own safety.

There are, of course, Beatles fans everywhere.

C has not been silent since being jailed. He has given several interviews, most extensively to Jack Jones, who turned their conversations into a book entitled "Let Me Take You Down: Inside the Mind of (killer's name)."

It was announced just weeks ago that a movie is in the works about C and the days leading up to the murder. The film will star Jared Leto as C and Lindsay Lohan as a Lennon fan who befriends C.

Though Ono has not publicly commented on the film, her spokesman, Elliot Mintz, has criticized a recent, two-hour "Dateline NBC" special on C.

"The timing of this is macabre," Mintz said. "(Ono) thinks it's outrageous. ... It sends out a message to other disturbed people that killing is a way to fame."

Newsman Larry Kane, who recently wrote the book "Lennon Revealed," agrees.

"(The killer) is not the story," Kane says. "He's the ending of the story, but he's not the story. The story is the 25 years of achievement that John Lennon managed, the music and poetry he left behind and the feeling of creation."

C has come up for parole three times, and each time been denied. He'll again be eligible next October, but according to Charles P. Ewing, a professor of law at the University of Buffalo (SUNY), his chances are between "slim and none" of ever being paroled.

"Very few people with a life cap ever get paroled and his case has generated so much negative publicity," Ewing says.

In October, 2004, the parole board said C killed Lennon for the attention, and that, "although proven true, such rationale is bizarre and morally corrupt."

Petitions have been submitted opposing his release, and Ono has, at each parole hearing, sent a letter saying that if he were set free, "myself and John's two sons would not feel safe for the rest of our lives."

The murder, she said, "managed to change my whole life, devastate his sons and bring deep sorrow and fear to the world." Releasing C, would "bring back the nightmare, the chaos and the confusion once again."

Speaking to the parole board in 2004, C, who has apologized a number of times for the murder, acknowledged the depravity of his notoriety:

"I deserve nothing," he said. "In some ways I'm a bigger nobody than I was before because, you know, people hate me now instead of, you know, for something positive. So that's a worse state."
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