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Old 08-04-2005, 02:55 AM
saxton216 saxton216 is offline
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PsychTau2 -- I agree with you on the fact that greeks and administrators must learn to work together and cooperate to work for a better tomorrow. I also agree that it wouldn't hurt for the organizations to inform the adminstration of their rules and such. Every two years our fraternities and sororities are evaluated through a "Greek Chapter Asessment Tool" (GCAT) and rated on various criteria. However, it seems that semester after semester and year after year, the adminstration keeps expecting more and more from the Greeks. Not to say that we shouldn't be improving each year, but when other campus clubs,groups,organizations are left unchecked and unreprimanded, it creates a double standard which is bound to create tension.

Perhaps it is just my school, but the administration is seemingly unwilling to work with the students from GLOs. They don't care about individual accreditation programs and expect everybody to conform to their standards. It just seems to contradict the diversity and free-though process which college is supposed to stimulate.

While I try to be objectionable it most instances, it seems as though the adminstrations at various schools are going to be in for a rude awakening when GLOs have finally had enough of the suppression by the university. When people claim that GLOs and administrations need to learn to work together, it always seems that it's expected for the GLO to give up more sovereignty than the adminstration. How much of this and how long will it take before the current Greek system is unrecognizeable?
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Old 08-04-2005, 09:17 AM
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Originally posted by saxton216
While I try to be objectionable it most instances, it seems as though the adminstrations at various schools are going to be in for a rude awakening when GLOs have finally had enough of the suppression by the university. When people claim that GLOs and administrations need to learn to work together, it always seems that it's expected for the GLO to give up more sovereignty than the adminstration. How much of this and how long will it take before the current Greek system is unrecognizeable?
But this is why is it is better to step up before the admins begin to make major changes. If the schools proposes a new evaluation system, the best thing we can do is say just what Psych Tau said- 'great, let's get our nat'l offices together and come up with something that works for both parties' Most universities worry about the risk management that greeks provide, but they also realize the benefits on campus including alumni giving and support (to both the college and org), creating a sense of home (which is supposed to be one of the most important factors for this generation) and usually* greeks as a group have higher GPAs, provide community interaction and a sense of campus spirit. To cut greek orgs across the board is not an easy decision to make.

We are not the french club, or sci fi house, we are selective and private organization who are supposed to aim for higher standards and work for the greater good. If we run away and claim foul by school admins, it seems contrary to the general ideals of our orgs. It is a parasitic relationship, we need the schools to survive and they benefit from our presence.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you want control of the evaluation programs take part in their creation. Bring in alumni and nat'l reps to help make sure your voice is heard. If you sit and wait for the school to give you free reign, you might want to just mail your charter back to HQ, it isn't going to happen. They take on liability by recognizing us, we have to meet standards and exceed them. Maybe you have to blow some sunshine, but that is the game and it happens in the real world, it is time to learn how.

Just my 2c.
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Old 08-04-2005, 11:12 AM
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Re: Found out good info tonight!!

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She is reviewing a document now from an eastern college that also impacts how the school thinks a new member program should run, telling the NPC's what they should put in them and that they can last no more than 6 weeks per the college requirement. If the NPC's do not follow these mandates, they can/will unrecognize the chapter. How in the world can a college govern an NPC's new member program???? I'm personally impressed that have the balls (pardon) to think they can institute this kind of mandate!!!!

This is one of the things that bothers me the most....

I see no reason why the universities should have any say in a GLO's new member program! As far as I am concerned, this should be completely up to the EO of that org. I understand hazing rules and regulations, but the actual programs that new members go through should not be made up by the university.

I can understand the university maybe making all greek new members go through some kind of orientation about greek life in general... Maybe what the greek system means to the university, and programs about scholastics, and the dangers of binge drinking and hazing and all that. But, the majority of new member education REALLY should be done by the chapter in the way that their nationals' sees fit.

I also think that if they are making these kinds of mandates for greek life, are they also doing such things for OTHER orgs on campus? There are alot of student organizations on campuses, and I don't see how it is right to impose regulations on one area if you're not going to include other areas. What about greek letter orgs that are not mainly social? Is an org like APO (technically a service org if I'm not mistaken) subject to this scrutiny as well?

Sorry if this post doesn't make much sense... it is just a little upsetting to me.

Oh, and I also think that "asskissery" is about the best word I've heard in awhile.
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Old 08-04-2005, 07:41 PM
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well, i know my alma matter is not far behind on a program such as this. when i was a phi in 1995, we had a mandatory 4 week max. pledge period...as mandated by the school. it lasted a few years and in the past 3ish yrs it has been changed to 6.

i really think the best course of action is for the national organizations to get together with schools when they are going to move to something like this. a national rep from each org present on the campus should be invited to come and discuss it in a roundtable fashion. the reps could describe the criteria that they currently use to grade each chapter and try to find some type of compromise.

ideally, i think that the hq of each org on the campus should submit the grade it gave to the chapter. they could send along the criteria by which the chapters are graded, the overall score and the "name" the org uses for that score. no specific info about where the chapter received/lost points.


i also wonder if the schools are really just trying to get more adult supervision into the fraternities and sororities.
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Old 08-06-2005, 02:32 PM
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Kent State has a program called Founder's Arc to "measure" chapters. Each chapter submits a HUGE binder of information including:

*average GPA
*ALL members extracurricular involvement
*All members individual community service involvment
*ANY violations during the year either through the school or your HQ.
*Chapter philanthropy results (participation, money raised)

Based on this information, each chapter receives a certain # of "columns" for the Arc. There are 5. 5 is excellent. 4 is good. 3 is fair. And I believe any chapter below 3 is placed on probation of some sorts. These results however are NOT made known to the public or to any other chapter.
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Old 09-06-2005, 12:04 AM
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Update Sept. 5 '05: Student paper Article on Lehigh Rankings

The Brown and White has an article on the rankings, the reactions, and some of the rewards for the chapters that got high rankings.

http://www.bw.lehigh.edu/story.asp?ID=18793
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Old 09-06-2005, 03:03 AM
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Prospective Greek members can scout houses based on the reports to see which houses are worth rushing.


Last year’s statistics show there is a strong correlation between performance and rush. Fraternities with a poor rating had an average of 8.25 new members, while gold and silver fraternities had an average of 13.3 new members during the spring 2005 rush season.

“Lehigh students recognize quality and they are voting with their feet,” Smeaton said. “Lehigh students are discerning consumers. They’re making choices about where they can have a positive experience.”

This really really bothered me in the article. How can having a 2.2 minimum GPA vs. a 2.25 minimum GPA, or not hosting faculty teas, mean that prospective rushees shouldn't consider your org. Arg...
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Old 09-06-2005, 12:21 PM
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It seems that this could create a lot of discord among the Greeks, when ABC is getting a bunch of recognition and rewards, while your chapter is being punished. If a chapter is struggling, the last thing it needs is to get its housing yanked and its every flaw published. Especially because it doesn't even seem that these chapters are truly struggling, if the members were shocked at the ratings they got. By this rationale, the chapter that went off campus could keep its housing (because it got an acceptable rating), but one with enough members to require housing could lose it.
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Old 09-06-2005, 07:57 PM
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Wow I'm so glad I came across this. The chapter I advise is having this very same problem with their greek advisor. She has come in and pretty much mandated this 5 star program (interesting to see other colleges/universitites are calling it the same thing). What has bothered me and has caused me to take this to the ADPi District Panhellenic Relations Director is some of the information it is requiring from the chapters. She did a lot of digging for me regarding what is and is not allowed as per the NPC Green Book and I'm passing this on to you guys in hopes that it helps any other chapter dealing with the same thing:

* On page UA-3 in the UNANIMOUS AGREEMENTS it states:

"National Panhellenic Conference denouces the ranking or categorization of chapters determined by administrative personnel according to a chapter's compliance with University standards or guidelines".

So basically while administrations can give out awards to GLOs, they cant promote it to the outside community and/or new members.

* Section UA-1 of UNANIMOUS AGREEMENTS states:
..."No action that infringes on the sovereignty, rights, or privileges of individual NPC fraternities...1) Requiring fraternity chapters to maintain a specific scholastic grade point average".

So requiring a chapter to maintain a minimum gpa is not allowed. You can say that each member must have a specific gpa in order to join or remain active but that is left up to the chapter itself not for the adminstration to govern.

* Also this was more of an issue at the university I'm dealing with in particular...basicaly the greek advisor came in and said I am Supreme ruler and I pass this 5 star program and anyone who questions this tough! It was never voted on at an Panhellenic mtg so if this is also an issue for other colleges/universities do know that
On page UA-1 on the section regarding UNANIMOUS AGREEMENTS it states:

"Except in routine matters, a College Panhellenic Council and officers of a College Panhellenic Council shall act only upon a vote of the delegate body after referral to the member fraternity chapters".


This subject strikes quite the nerve with me because it has caused nothing but trouble since it came out. We're basically being told to ignore our International guidelines and to follow a specific university's rules and if dont do abide by these the chapter will be put on probation and will not be allowed to participate in recruitment. I get the whole trying to encourage a positive greek community and enhance the experience for the better but some of these just end up being more paperwork and as far as the rankings go end up being a popularity contest. Argh I could go on forever about this!

ETA: There have been so many red flags raised with this program that it has gone to the ADPi Grand President and our national NPC delegate and is being investigated. Just thought I should let you all know that just because an administation is trying to play bully it doesnt mean you have to take it.

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Old 09-06-2007, 04:09 PM
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Lehigh U. Fraternity & Sorority "Accreditation" Rankings for the 2006-07 Academic Year

The report is available at

http://www.lehigh.edu/~indost/greek/...ion/index.html

Three fraternity chapters and four sorority chapters made "gold" (highest) level. The other sororities, and most of the other fraternities, made "silver" level.

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Old 09-06-2007, 04:41 PM
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Greek ranking programs, and the stupidity thereof

Clarion's "Greek Plan" ranks the groups Gold, Silver, or Bronze.

Of the 4 fraternities left there this past year, 3 got a silver, and one got nothing. The one that got nothing was the winner of Greek Week. One of the silver ones just had their charter pulled by their nationals for repeated violations.

HUH????
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